A new theory on the evolution of religion

Futilitist · Dec 13, 2012

wynn said: ↑

Uh. The dude himself said he has Asperger's / autism.
What you see in this and other threads of his is an example of how people with autism sometimes reason. They might question things that most other people take for granted; they will see things in contexts that most other people don't.
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There is a wonderful synergy in the field of social robotics involving Asperger's syndrome. Aspergeans and other autistics are used to help test the design and effectiveness of social social robots. I used to be involved in the design of software personalities for specialized social robots when I worked with roboticist Dr. David Hanson. These robots are used in universities for basic social robotics research, and also for research into therapeutic social robots for autistics. The reason For all the Aspergians and Autistics in the field is that social robots must overcome the problem of the "uncanny valley" in order for the interaction to seem reel. Aspergeans, especially, are useful because they basically suffer a mirror neuron deficit which leads to the difficulty socializing. But in order to function socially at all, Aspergeans or Aspies as some prefer to be called, process their social cues in the neocortex, i.e. not automatically, as do Neurotypicals, as Aspergeans like to refer to everyone else. Aspergeans must do consciously, what Neurotypicals do unconciously. Thus, Aspergeans, though handicapped in many ways, tend to notice aspects of human behavior that are often invisible to Neurotypicals. Aspergeans provide what philosophers refer to as the Philosophic ladder.

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"Asperger's syndrome has probably been an important and valuable characteristic of our species throughout evolution," (Attwood, 2006, p. 2).

the linked article said:

People with Asperger's Syndrome are often described, as having social skills deficits, reluctance to listen, difficulty understanding social give and take, and other core characteristics, is typically quite misunderstood...
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And that is the simplest explanation for my bad reputation, BTW. Neurotypicals often react quite negatively to my display of poor social skills. Think about it.

the linked article said:

Speculated to have Asperger's Syndrome

Abraham Lincoln,1809-1865, US Politician
Alan Turing, 1912-1954, English mathematician, computer scientist and cryptographer
Albert Einstein, 1879-1955, German/American theoretical physicist
Alexander Graham Bell, 1847-1922, Scottish/Canadian/American inventor of the telephone
Anton Bruckner , 1824-1896, Austrian composer
Bela Bartok, 1881-1945, Hungarian composer
Benjamin Franklin,1706-1790, US polictician/writer
Bertrand Russell, 1872-1970, British logician
Bobby Fischer, 1943-2008, World Chess Champion
Carl Jung, 1875-1961, Swiss psychoanalyst
Charles Rennie Mackintosh, 1868-1928, Scottish architect and designer
Emily Dickinson, 1830-1886, US poet
Erik Satie, 1866-1925 - Composer
Franz Kafka, 1883-1924, Czech writer
Friedrich Nietzsche, 1844-1900, German philosopher
George Bernard Shaw, 1856-1950, Irish playwright, writer of Pygmalion, critic and Socialist
George Washington, 1732-1799, US Politician
Gustav Mahler, 1860-1911, Czech/Austrian composer
Marilyn Monroe, 1926-1962, US actress
H P Lovecraft, 1890-1937, US writer
Henry Cavendish, 1731-1810, English/French scientist, discovered the composition of air and water
Henry Ford, 1863-1947, US industrialist
Henry Thoreau, 1817-1862, US writer
Isaac Newton, 1642-1727, English mathematician and physicist
Jane Austen, 1775-1817, English novelist, author of Pride and Prejudice
Kaspar Hauser, c1812-1833, German foundling, portrayed in a film by Werner Herzog
Ludwig II, 1845-1886, King of Bavaria
Ludwig Wittgenstein, 1889-1951, Viennese/English logician and philosopher
Ludwig van Beethoven, 1770-1827, German/Viennese composer
Mark Twain, 1835-1910, US humorist
Michelangelo, 1475 1564 - Italian Renissance artist
Nikola Tesla, 1856-1943, Serbian/American scientist, engineer, inventor of electric motors
Oliver Heaviside, 1850-1925, English physicist
Richard Strauss, 1864-1949, German composer
Seth Engstrom, 1987-Present, Magician and World Champion
Thomas Edison, 1847-1931, US inventor
Thomas Jefferson, 1743-1826, US politician
Vincent Van Gogh, 1853-1890, Dutch painter
Virginia Woolf, 1882-1941, English Writer
Wasily Kandinsky, 1866-1944, Russian/French painter
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, 1756-1791, Austrian composer
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And I would add another famous character, supposedly from history. Jesus.*

*---This last bit is likely to be a bit controversial here. Please consider all that I have said above it before ripping me up on the last bit.
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R1D2 said: ↑

I don't agree all names above had autism. You said speculative. Did you personally speculate or did you read that somewhere? And what the hay, I think leonardo de vinci had it too.
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The list is from the linked article. I edited the post to make it more clear. Thanks.

The list should also include Charles Darwin. And many others.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/h...n-had-autism-leading-psychiatrist-claims.html

telegraph uk said:

Prof Fitzgerald said: "It is suggested that the same genes that produce autism and Asperger's syndrome are also responsible for great creativity and originality.

"Asperger's syndrome gave Darwin the capacity to hyperfocus, the extra capacity for persistence, the enormous ability to see detail that other people missed, the endless energy for a lifetime dedication to a narrow task, and the independence of mind so critical to original research."

Darwin was a solitary child – as many people with Asperger's syndrome are, Prof Fitzgerald said and his emotional immaturity and fear of intimacy extended to adulthood. He avoided socialising and took long solitary walks, walking the same route daily. He was a compulsive letter writer, but these were almost devoid of social chat.

Darwin was a great collector. As a child he hoarded insects and shells, and while at university he became obsessed with chemistry and gadgets.
Professor Fitzgerald said: "Darwin had a massive capacity to observe, to introspect and to analyse. From adolescence he was a massive systematiser, initially of insects and other specimens which he catalogued. He had a tremendously visual brain. He spent eight years studying barnacles, and wrote books on his observations of earthworms and even his own children. He was a rather obsessive-compulsive and ritualistic man.

"Creativity is extremely complex, and so far no theory or model of brain function has been able to explain it fully. But I hope that future progress in understanding the basis of autism may lead to a better understanding of autistic creativity and creativity in general."
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http://bookclubs.barnesandnoble.com...s-Darwin-Have-Asperger-s-Syndrome/ba-p/379141

Did Charles Darwin Have Asperger's Syndrome? said:

In February of this year, psychiatrist Michael Fitzgerald gave a lecture to the Royal College of Psychiatrists arguing that Charles Darwin suffered from Asperger's syndrome.

There is great evidence that that's true--including Darwin's narrow focus with detail; his tendency, even as a child, to hoard; and his difficulty with two-way conversation ("Darwin's books are much better than his conversation," the historian Thomas Buckle said after meeting him.).

I'm reading Darwin's Autobiography, diaries, and letters looking for evidence of a disorder. It is fascinating to follow in the tracks of a mind that's so unlike the ordinary mind. Darwin's devotion to detail is astounding. For instance, in between his trip on The Beagle at age 23 and the publication of Origin of Species, he took an intellectual detour into the world of barnacles. He only meant to write up a description of one strange barnacle he had discovered in South America, but a colleague urged him to describe the entire class of species. Darwin took on the task--spending eight years observing shells in museums, private collections, and the world around him, eventually mapping out a new and revolutionary typology in his A Monographof The Cirripedia (text here). His observations, made from the corners of museums and by the sides of rivers, changed the way history saw the animal. (See his attention to detail in an opening sentence: "Although the present volume is strictly systematic, I will, under the general description of the Lepadidæ, give a very brief abstract of some of the most interesting points in their internal anatomy, and in the metamorphoses of the whole class, which I hope hereafter to treat, with the necessary illustrations, in detail." )

As people with Asperger's pay attention to all sorts of details, their focus on the minute often affects their relationship to language, too. Children with Asperger's are often slow to start speaking, but they can eventually acquire bigger vocabularies than most of us.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_figures_sometimes_considered_autistic

wikipedea said:

Isaac Newton

Isaac Newton hardly spoke and had few friends. He was often so absorbed in his work that he forgot to eat, demonstrating an obsessive single-mindedness that is commonly associated with Asperger's. If nobody attended his lessons, he reportedly gave lectures to an empty room. When he was 50, he suffered a nervous breakdown brought on by depression and paranoia. After Newton's death, however, his body was found to contain massive amounts of mercury, probably from his alchemical pursuits, which could have accounted for his eccentricity in later life.
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I remember reading somewhere that Newton died a virgin.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/5274.php

Here is advice for parents of Aspergeans:

http://www.yourlittleprofessor.com/benefits.html

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R1D2 · Dec 13, 2012

I don't agree all names above had autism. You said speculative. Did you personally speculate or did you read that somewhere? And what the hay, I think leonardo de vinci had it too.

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Futilitist · Dec 13, 2012

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True, but he seems unable to communicate for himself.

That seems a valid implication. I am willing to entertain the possibility that he has a defect (let's not beat about the bush) that's makes participation in normal society impossible and participation in sciforums difficult. Whether we accept or deny that, his premises are flawed, his logic is faulty, his evidence is contrived and his conclusions are silly. He should probably stick to drumming: you can beat it.
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I notice patterns. That is what makes me a good drummer. I'm going to start a music theory thread on how simple modulation creates apparent complexity in rhythm. In information theory terms, modulation is also how DNA can encode so much information using only 4 nucleotides. And also how nature creates complex patterns, like sea shells and peacock feathers. Dawkins modeled some of this but I can't remember which book I read it in. I think it was "Climbing Mount Improbable" but I am not sure. Aspergeans are relational thinkers. And other Aspergeans would judge my writing as cogent. Neurotypicals, not so much.

We "Aspies" (I don't like this word) often say that we were born on the wrong planet. Check out: http://www.wrongplanet.net/ to get an idea of what life is like for Aspergeans and what Aspergeans think of everyone else in the world.

It is hard to fake Asperger's syndrome. I think when Neurotypicals try mimetically to emulate us, a mimetic rivalry is, sadly, often the result.

"The Asperger's autistic has about as much chance of telling a Neurotypical person how to think, as a Neurotypical person has of telling an Asperger's autistic how to act."

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Jan Ardena · Dec 13, 2012

Futilitist,

3. Religion (and morality generally) evolved to help control and direct the individual emotions, triggered by the moral intuition, to the perceived overall good of the group, leading to the group cohesion and social stability necessary for civilization to evolve. Religion helps control individual emotions, both within the individual, and with respect to the group, by attempting to suppress certain tendencies and reward others.
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1. Why do you think religion evolved?

2. Why do you think religion is purely about ''sin'' and ''morality''?

jan.

Futilitist · Dec 13, 2012

R1D2 said: ↑

I don't agree all names above had autism. You said speculative. Did you personally speculate or did you read that somewhere? And what the hay, I think leonardo de vinci had it too.
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The list is from the linked article. I edited the post to make it more clear. Thanks.

The list should also include Charles Darwin. And many others.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/h...n-had-autism-leading-psychiatrist-claims.html

telegraph uk said:

Prof Fitzgerald said: "It is suggested that the same genes that produce autism and Asperger's syndrome are also responsible for great creativity and originality.

"Asperger's syndrome gave Darwin the capacity to hyperfocus, the extra capacity for persistence, the enormous ability to see detail that other people missed, the endless energy for a lifetime dedication to a narrow task, and the independence of mind so critical to original research."

Darwin was a solitary child – as many people with Asperger's syndrome are, Prof Fitzgerald said and his emotional immaturity and fear of intimacy extended to adulthood. He avoided socialising and took long solitary walks, walking the same route daily. He was a compulsive letter writer, but these were almost devoid of social chat.

Darwin was a great collector. As a child he hoarded insects and shells, and while at university he became obsessed with chemistry and gadgets.
Professor Fitzgerald said: "Darwin had a massive capacity to observe, to introspect and to analyse. From adolescence he was a massive systematiser, initially of insects and other specimens which he catalogued. He had a tremendously visual brain. He spent eight years studying barnacles, and wrote books on his observations of earthworms and even his own children. He was a rather obsessive-compulsive and ritualistic man.

"Creativity is extremely complex, and so far no theory or model of brain function has been able to explain it fully. But I hope that future progress in understanding the basis of autism may lead to a better understanding of autistic creativity and creativity in general."
Click to expand...

http://bookclubs.barnesandnoble.com...s-Darwin-Have-Asperger-s-Syndrome/ba-p/379141

Did Charles Darwin Have Asperger's Syndrome? said:

In February of this year, psychiatrist Michael Fitzgerald gave a lecture to the Royal College of Psychiatrists arguing that Charles Darwin suffered from Asperger's syndrome.

There is great evidence that that's true--including Darwin's narrow focus with detail; his tendency, even as a child, to hoard; and his difficulty with two-way conversation ("Darwin's books are much better than his conversation," the historian Thomas Buckle said after meeting him.).

I'm reading Darwin's Autobiography, diaries, and letters looking for evidence of a disorder. It is fascinating to follow in the tracks of a mind that's so unlike the ordinary mind. Darwin's devotion to detail is astounding. For instance, in between his trip on The Beagle at age 23 and the publication of Origin of Species, he took an intellectual detour into the world of barnacles. He only meant to write up a description of one strange barnacle he had discovered in South America, but a colleague urged him to describe the entire class of species. Darwin took on the task--spending eight years observing shells in museums, private collections, and the world around him, eventually mapping out a new and revolutionary typology in his A Monographof The Cirripedia (text here). His observations, made from the corners of museums and by the sides of rivers, changed the way history saw the animal. (See his attention to detail in an opening sentence: "Although the present volume is strictly systematic, I will, under the general description of the Lepadidæ, give a very brief abstract of some of the most interesting points in their internal anatomy, and in the metamorphoses of the whole class, which I hope hereafter to treat, with the necessary illustrations, in detail." )

As people with Asperger's pay attention to all sorts of details, their focus on the minute often affects their relationship to language, too. Children with Asperger's are often slow to start speaking, but they can eventually acquire bigger vocabularies than most of us.
Click to expand...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_figures_sometimes_considered_autistic

wikipedea said:

Isaac Newton

Isaac Newton hardly spoke and had few friends. He was often so absorbed in his work that he forgot to eat, demonstrating an obsessive single-mindedness that is commonly associated with Asperger's. If nobody attended his lessons, he reportedly gave lectures to an empty room. When he was 50, he suffered a nervous breakdown brought on by depression and paranoia. After Newton's death, however, his body was found to contain massive amounts of mercury, probably from his alchemical pursuits, which could have accounted for his eccentricity in later life.
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I remember reading somewhere that Newton died a virgin.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/5274.php

Here is advice for parents of Aspergeans:

http://www.yourlittleprofessor.com/benefits.html

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Futilitist · Dec 13, 2012

R1D2 said: ↑

I don't agree all names above had autism. You said speculative. Did you personally speculate or did you read that somewhere? And what the hay, I think leonardo de vinci had it too.
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The list is from the linked article. I edited the post to make it more clear. Thanks.

The list should also include Charles Darwin. And many others.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/h...n-had-autism-leading-psychiatrist-claims.html

telegraph uk said:

Prof Fitzgerald said: "It is suggested that the same genes that produce autism and Asperger's syndrome are also responsible for great creativity and originality.

"Asperger's syndrome gave Darwin the capacity to hyperfocus, the extra capacity for persistence, the enormous ability to see detail that other people missed, the endless energy for a lifetime dedication to a narrow task, and the independence of mind so critical to original research."

Darwin was a solitary child – as many people with Asperger's syndrome are, Prof Fitzgerald said and his emotional immaturity and fear of intimacy extended to adulthood. He avoided socialising and took long solitary walks, walking the same route daily. He was a compulsive letter writer, but these were almost devoid of social chat.

Darwin was a great collector. As a child he hoarded insects and shells, and while at university he became obsessed with chemistry and gadgets.
Professor Fitzgerald said: "Darwin had a massive capacity to observe, to introspect and to analyse. From adolescence he was a massive systematiser, initially of insects and other specimens which he catalogued. He had a tremendously visual brain. He spent eight years studying barnacles, and wrote books on his observations of earthworms and even his own children. He was a rather obsessive-compulsive and ritualistic man.

"Creativity is extremely complex, and so far no theory or model of brain function has been able to explain it fully. But I hope that future progress in understanding the basis of autism may lead to a better understanding of autistic creativity and creativity in general."
Click to expand...

http://bookclubs.barnesandnoble.com...s-Darwin-Have-Asperger-s-Syndrome/ba-p/379141

Did Charles Darwin Have Asperger's Syndrome? said:

In February of this year, psychiatrist Michael Fitzgerald gave a lecture to the Royal College of Psychiatrists arguing that Charles Darwin suffered from Asperger's syndrome.

There is great evidence that that's true--including Darwin's narrow focus with detail; his tendency, even as a child, to hoard; and his difficulty with two-way conversation ("Darwin's books are much better than his conversation," the historian Thomas Buckle said after meeting him.).

I'm reading Darwin's Autobiography, diaries, and letters looking for evidence of a disorder. It is fascinating to follow in the tracks of a mind that's so unlike the ordinary mind. Darwin's devotion to detail is astounding. For instance, in between his trip on The Beagle at age 23 and the publication of Origin of Species, he took an intellectual detour into the world of barnacles. He only meant to write up a description of one strange barnacle he had discovered in South America, but a colleague urged him to describe the entire class of species. Darwin took on the task--spending eight years observing shells in museums, private collections, and the world around him, eventually mapping out a new and revolutionary typology in his A Monographof The Cirripedia (text here). His observations, made from the corners of museums and by the sides of rivers, changed the way history saw the animal. (See his attention to detail in an opening sentence: "Although the present volume is strictly systematic, I will, under the general description of the Lepadidæ, give a very brief abstract of some of the most interesting points in their internal anatomy, and in the metamorphoses of the whole class, which I hope hereafter to treat, with the necessary illustrations, in detail." )

As people with Asperger's pay attention to all sorts of details, their focus on the minute often affects their relationship to language, too. Children with Asperger's are often slow to start speaking, but they can eventually acquire bigger vocabularies than most of us.
Click to expand...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_figures_sometimes_considered_autistic

wikipedea said:

Isaac Newton

Isaac Newton hardly spoke and had few friends. He was often so absorbed in his work that he forgot to eat, demonstrating an obsessive single-mindedness that is commonly associated with Asperger's. If nobody attended his lessons, he reportedly gave lectures to an empty room. When he was 50, he suffered a nervous breakdown brought on by depression and paranoia. After Newton's death, however, his body was found to contain massive amounts of mercury, probably from his alchemical pursuits, which could have accounted for his eccentricity in later life.
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I remember reading somewhere that Newton died a virgin.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/5274.php

Here is advice for parents of Aspergeans:

http://www.yourlittleprofessor.com/benefits.html

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spidergoat · Dec 13, 2012

Futilitist said: ↑

...We "Aspies" (I don't like this word) often say that we were born on the wrong planet. Check out: http://www.wrongplanet.net/ to get an idea of what life is like for Aspergeans and what Aspergeans think of everyone else in the world....
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I'm also autistic, and a member of wrongplanet. Welcome sir!

Futilitist · Dec 13, 2012

spidergoat said: ↑

I'm also autistic, and a member of wrongplanet. Welcome sir!
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Thank you, sir. Do you like the word "Aspie"? I've never liked the way it sounded. I do like the term "Neurotypical" to refer to the non Aspergeans, though.
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Futilitist · Dec 13, 2012

Mods. A quick question. How long will it take to moderate my last post? I am trying to answer a question with a valid post. I have been up all night playing a gig. I need to get some sleep. Please. It has been more than 30 minutes. There has been a good flow to the conversation. I have made no attempt to insult anyone. I need to cite my sources. Is there something wrong with the post?

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elte · Dec 13, 2012

I wonder about Truman Capote having been autistic. (I seem to be too.)

Futilitist · Dec 13, 2012

R1D2 said: ↑

I don't agree all names above had autism. You said speculative. Did you personally speculate or did you read that somewhere? And what the hay, I think leonardo de vinci had it too.
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The list is from the linked article. I edited the post to make it more clear. Thanks.

The list should also include Charles Darwin. And many others.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/h...n-had-autism-leading-psychiatrist-claims.html

telegraph uk said:

Prof Fitzgerald said: "It is suggested that the same genes that produce autism and Asperger's syndrome are also responsible for great creativity and originality.

"Asperger's syndrome gave Darwin the capacity to hyperfocus, the extra capacity for persistence, the enormous ability to see detail that other people missed, the endless energy for a lifetime dedication to a narrow task, and the independence of mind so critical to original research."

Darwin was a solitary child – as many people with Asperger's syndrome are, Prof Fitzgerald said and his emotional immaturity and fear of intimacy extended to adulthood. He avoided socialising and took long solitary walks, walking the same route daily. He was a compulsive letter writer, but these were almost devoid of social chat.

Darwin was a great collector. As a child he hoarded insects and shells, and while at university he became obsessed with chemistry and gadgets.
Professor Fitzgerald said: "Darwin had a massive capacity to observe, to introspect and to analyse. From adolescence he was a massive systematiser, initially of insects and other specimens which he catalogued. He had a tremendously visual brain. He spent eight years studying barnacles, and wrote books on his observations of earthworms and even his own children. He was a rather obsessive-compulsive and ritualistic man.

"Creativity is extremely complex, and so far no theory or model of brain function has been able to explain it fully. But I hope that future progress in understanding the basis of autism may lead to a better understanding of autistic creativity and creativity in general."
Click to expand...

http://bookclubs.barnesandnoble.com...s-Darwin-Have-Asperger-s-Syndrome/ba-p/379141

Did Charles Darwin Have Asperger's Syndrome? said:

In February of this year, psychiatrist Michael Fitzgerald gave a lecture to the Royal College of Psychiatrists arguing that Charles Darwin suffered from Asperger's syndrome.

There is great evidence that that's true--including Darwin's narrow focus with detail; his tendency, even as a child, to hoard; and his difficulty with two-way conversation ("Darwin's books are much better than his conversation," the historian Thomas Buckle said after meeting him.).

I'm reading Darwin's Autobiography, diaries, and letters looking for evidence of a disorder. It is fascinating to follow in the tracks of a mind that's so unlike the ordinary mind. Darwin's devotion to detail is astounding. For instance, in between his trip on The Beagle at age 23 and the publication of Origin of Species, he took an intellectual detour into the world of barnacles. He only meant to write up a description of one strange barnacle he had discovered in South America, but a colleague urged him to describe the entire class of species. Darwin took on the task--spending eight years observing shells in museums, private collections, and the world around him, eventually mapping out a new and revolutionary typology in his A Monographof The Cirripedia (text here). His observations, made from the corners of museums and by the sides of rivers, changed the way history saw the animal. (See his attention to detail in an opening sentence: "Although the present volume is strictly systematic, I will, under the general description of the Lepadidæ, give a very brief abstract of some of the most interesting points in their internal anatomy, and in the metamorphoses of the whole class, which I hope hereafter to treat, with the necessary illustrations, in detail." )

As people with Asperger's pay attention to all sorts of details, their focus on the minute often affects their relationship to language, too. Children with Asperger's are often slow to start speaking, but they can eventually acquire bigger vocabularies than most of us.
Click to expand...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_figures_sometimes_considered_autistic

wikipedea said:

Isaac Newton

Isaac Newton hardly spoke and had few friends. He was often so absorbed in his work that he forgot to eat, demonstrating an obsessive single-mindedness that is commonly associated with Asperger's. If nobody attended his lessons, he reportedly gave lectures to an empty room. When he was 50, he suffered a nervous breakdown brought on by depression and paranoia. After Newton's death, however, his body was found to contain massive amounts of mercury, probably from his alchemical pursuits, which could have accounted for his eccentricity in later life.
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I remember reading somewhere that Newton died a virgin.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/5274.php

Here is advice for parents of Aspergeans:

http://www.yourlittleprofessor.com/benefits.html

---Futilitist
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spidergoat · Dec 13, 2012

Futilitist said: ↑

Thank you, sir. Do you like the word "Aspie"? I've never liked the way it sounded. I do like the term "Neurotypical" to refer to the non Aspergeans, though.
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There is no such thing as Asperger Syndrome anymore, so no aspies. It's been simplified into just autism, with Asperger's being on the higher functioning end of the spectrum.

Futilitist · Dec 13, 2012

why is this post being moderated? can you please explain?

R1D2 said: ↑

I don't agree all names above had autism. You said speculative. Did you personally speculate or did you read that somewhere? And what the hay, I think leonardo de vinci had it too.
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The list is from the linked article. I edited the post to make it more clear. Thanks.

The list should also include Charles Darwin. And many others.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/h...n-had-autism-leading-psychiatrist-claims.html

telegraph uk said:

Prof Fitzgerald said: "It is suggested that the same genes that produce autism and Asperger's syndrome are also responsible for great creativity and originality.

"Asperger's syndrome gave Darwin the capacity to hyperfocus, the extra capacity for persistence, the enormous ability to see detail that other people missed, the endless energy for a lifetime dedication to a narrow task, and the independence of mind so critical to original research."

Darwin was a solitary child – as many people with Asperger's syndrome are, Prof Fitzgerald said and his emotional immaturity and fear of intimacy extended to adulthood. He avoided socialising and took long solitary walks, walking the same route daily. He was a compulsive letter writer, but these were almost devoid of social chat.

Darwin was a great collector. As a child he hoarded insects and shells, and while at university he became obsessed with chemistry and gadgets.
Professor Fitzgerald said: "Darwin had a massive capacity to observe, to introspect and to analyse. From adolescence he was a massive systematiser, initially of insects and other specimens which he catalogued. He had a tremendously visual brain. He spent eight years studying barnacles, and wrote books on his observations of earthworms and even his own children. He was a rather obsessive-compulsive and ritualistic man.

"Creativity is extremely complex, and so far no theory or model of brain function has been able to explain it fully. But I hope that future progress in understanding the basis of autism may lead to a better understanding of autistic creativity and creativity in general."
Click to expand...

http://bookclubs.barnesandnoble.com...s-Darwin-Have-Asperger-s-Syndrome/ba-p/379141

Did Charles Darwin Have Asperger's Syndrome? said:

In February of this year, psychiatrist Michael Fitzgerald gave a lecture to the Royal College of Psychiatrists arguing that Charles Darwin suffered from Asperger's syndrome.

There is great evidence that that's true--including Darwin's narrow focus with detail; his tendency, even as a child, to hoard; and his difficulty with two-way conversation ("Darwin's books are much better than his conversation," the historian Thomas Buckle said after meeting him.).

I'm reading Darwin's Autobiography, diaries, and letters looking for evidence of a disorder. It is fascinating to follow in the tracks of a mind that's so unlike the ordinary mind. Darwin's devotion to detail is astounding. For instance, in between his trip on The Beagle at age 23 and the publication of Origin of Species, he took an intellectual detour into the world of barnacles. He only meant to write up a description of one strange barnacle he had discovered in South America, but a colleague urged him to describe the entire class of species. Darwin took on the task--spending eight years observing shells in museums, private collections, and the world around him, eventually mapping out a new and revolutionary typology in his A Monographof The Cirripedia (text here). His observations, made from the corners of museums and by the sides of rivers, changed the way history saw the animal. (See his attention to detail in an opening sentence: "Although the present volume is strictly systematic, I will, under the general description of the Lepadidæ, give a very brief abstract of some of the most interesting points in their internal anatomy, and in the metamorphoses of the whole class, which I hope hereafter to treat, with the necessary illustrations, in detail." )

As people with Asperger's pay attention to all sorts of details, their focus on the minute often affects their relationship to language, too. Children with Asperger's are often slow to start speaking, but they can eventually acquire bigger vocabularies than most of us.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_figures_sometimes_considered_autistic

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Isaac Newton

Isaac Newton hardly spoke and had few friends. He was often so absorbed in his work that he forgot to eat, demonstrating an obsessive single-mindedness that is commonly associated with Asperger's. If nobody attended his lessons, he reportedly gave lectures to an empty room. When he was 50, he suffered a nervous breakdown brought on by depression and paranoia. After Newton's death, however, his body was found to contain massive amounts of mercury, probably from his alchemical pursuits, which could have accounted for his eccentricity in later life.
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I remember reading somewhere that Newton died a virgin.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/5274.php

Here is advice for parents of Aspergeans:

http://www.yourlittleprofessor.com/benefits.html

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KilljoyKlown · Dec 13, 2012

A good example of Asperger's was played by Christian Clemenson in Boston Legal season 2 through season 5.

http://bostonlegal.wetpaint.com/page/Jerry Espenson

For anyone who hasn't watched Boston Legal, I very highly recommend it from beginning to end (5 seasons & 28 DVD's Avg. 4 episodes per DVD)

Futilitist · Dec 13, 2012

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KilljoyKlown said: ↑

A good example of Asperger's was played by Christian Clemenson in Boston Legal season 2 through season 5.

http://bostonlegal.wetpaint.com/page/Jerry Espenson

For anyone who hasn't watched Boston Legal, I very highly recommend it from beginning to end (5 seasons & 28 DVD's Avg. 4 episodes per DVD)
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Do you think there is anything wrong with the following post? I can't seem to get the mods to approve.

R1D2 said: ↑

I don't agree all names above had autism. You said speculative. Did you personally speculate or did you read that somewhere? And what the hay, I think leonardo de vinci had it too.
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The list is from the linked article. I edited the post to make it more clear. Thanks.

The list should also include Charles Darwin. And many others.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/h...n-had-autism-leading-psychiatrist-claims.html

telegraph uk said:

Prof Fitzgerald said: "It is suggested that the same genes that produce autism and Asperger's syndrome are also responsible for great creativity and originality.

"Asperger's syndrome gave Darwin the capacity to hyperfocus, the extra capacity for persistence, the enormous ability to see detail that other people missed, the endless energy for a lifetime dedication to a narrow task, and the independence of mind so critical to original research."

Darwin was a solitary child – as many people with Asperger's syndrome are, Prof Fitzgerald said and his emotional immaturity and fear of intimacy extended to adulthood. He avoided socialising and took long solitary walks, walking the same route daily. He was a compulsive letter writer, but these were almost devoid of social chat.

Darwin was a great collector. As a child he hoarded insects and shells, and while at university he became obsessed with chemistry and gadgets.
Professor Fitzgerald said: "Darwin had a massive capacity to observe, to introspect and to analyse. From adolescence he was a massive systematiser, initially of insects and other specimens which he catalogued. He had a tremendously visual brain. He spent eight years studying barnacles, and wrote books on his observations of earthworms and even his own children. He was a rather obsessive-compulsive and ritualistic man.

"Creativity is extremely complex, and so far no theory or model of brain function has been able to explain it fully. But I hope that future progress in understanding the basis of autism may lead to a better understanding of autistic creativity and creativity in general."
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http://bookclubs.barnesandnoble.com...s-Darwin-Have-Asperger-s-Syndrome/ba-p/379141

Did Charles Darwin Have Asperger's Syndrome? said:

In February of this year, psychiatrist Michael Fitzgerald gave a lecture to the Royal College of Psychiatrists arguing that Charles Darwin suffered from Asperger's syndrome.

There is great evidence that that's true--including Darwin's narrow focus with detail; his tendency, even as a child, to hoard; and his difficulty with two-way conversation ("Darwin's books are much better than his conversation," the historian Thomas Buckle said after meeting him.).

I'm reading Darwin's Autobiography, diaries, and letters looking for evidence of a disorder. It is fascinating to follow in the tracks of a mind that's so unlike the ordinary mind. Darwin's devotion to detail is astounding. For instance, in between his trip on The Beagle at age 23 and the publication of Origin of Species, he took an intellectual detour into the world of barnacles. He only meant to write up a description of one strange barnacle he had discovered in South America, but a colleague urged him to describe the entire class of species. Darwin took on the task--spending eight years observing shells in museums, private collections, and the world around him, eventually mapping out a new and revolutionary typology in his A Monographof The Cirripedia (text here). His observations, made from the corners of museums and by the sides of rivers, changed the way history saw the animal. (See his attention to detail in an opening sentence: "Although the present volume is strictly systematic, I will, under the general description of the Lepadidæ, give a very brief abstract of some of the most interesting points in their internal anatomy, and in the metamorphoses of the whole class, which I hope hereafter to treat, with the necessary illustrations, in detail." )

As people with Asperger's pay attention to all sorts of details, their focus on the minute often affects their relationship to language, too. Children with Asperger's are often slow to start speaking, but they can eventually acquire bigger vocabularies than most of us.
Click to expand...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_figures_sometimes_considered_autistic

wikipedea said:

Isaac Newton

Isaac Newton hardly spoke and had few friends. He was often so absorbed in his work that he forgot to eat, demonstrating an obsessive single-mindedness that is commonly associated with Asperger's. If nobody attended his lessons, he reportedly gave lectures to an empty room. When he was 50, he suffered a nervous breakdown brought on by depression and paranoia. After Newton's death, however, his body was found to contain massive amounts of mercury, probably from his alchemical pursuits, which could have accounted for his eccentricity in later life.
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I remember reading somewhere that Newton died a virgin.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/5274.php

Here is advice for parents of Aspergeans:

http://www.yourlittleprofessor.com/benefits.html

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river · Dec 13, 2012

Originally Posted by river
We are though wired for free will. , that's why I question
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You question. Good thing. Here is my answer. God is a huge joker. He gives us free will and sits back and laughs his A$$ off over $hit we do..
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Just not enough questioning is the problem, especially on the social implications of God and therefore looking honestly how that has worked out for Humanity

It hasn't been a good experience for Humanity, the wars in history and now in modern times

spidergoat · Dec 13, 2012

Futilitist said: ↑

Can someone please explain why my post is being moderated. IMHO, it is in compliance with all the posting guidelines. Do you need me to modify it somehow? Tell me and I will.

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It's a bug in the forum software I think. I happens to me sometimes. Not deliberate.

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It's a bug in the forum software I think. I happens to me sometimes. Not deliberate.
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Cool, I will try again. Thank you spidergoat.

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R1D2 said: ↑

I don't agree all names above had autism. You said speculative. Did you personally speculate or did you read that somewhere? And what the hay, I think leonardo de vinci had it too.
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The list is from the linked article. I edited the post to make it more clear. Thanks.

The list should also include Charles Darwin. And many others.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/h...n-had-autism-leading-psychiatrist-claims.html

telegraph uk said:

Prof Fitzgerald said: "It is suggested that the same genes that produce autism and Asperger's syndrome are also responsible for great creativity and originality.

"Asperger's syndrome gave Darwin the capacity to hyperfocus, the extra capacity for persistence, the enormous ability to see detail that other people missed, the endless energy for a lifetime dedication to a narrow task, and the independence of mind so critical to original research."

Darwin was a solitary child – as many people with Asperger's syndrome are, Prof Fitzgerald said and his emotional immaturity and fear of intimacy extended to adulthood. He avoided socialising and took long solitary walks, walking the same route daily. He was a compulsive letter writer, but these were almost devoid of social chat.

Darwin was a great collector. As a child he hoarded insects and shells, and while at university he became obsessed with chemistry and gadgets.
Professor Fitzgerald said: "Darwin had a massive capacity to observe, to introspect and to analyse. From adolescence he was a massive systematiser, initially of insects and other specimens which he catalogued. He had a tremendously visual brain. He spent eight years studying barnacles, and wrote books on his observations of earthworms and even his own children. He was a rather obsessive-compulsive and ritualistic man.

"Creativity is extremely complex, and so far no theory or model of brain function has been able to explain it fully. But I hope that future progress in understanding the basis of autism may lead to a better understanding of autistic creativity and creativity in general."
Click to expand...

http://bookclubs.barnesandnoble.com...s-Darwin-Have-Asperger-s-Syndrome/ba-p/379141

Did Charles Darwin Have Asperger's Syndrome? said:

In February of this year, psychiatrist Michael Fitzgerald gave a lecture to the Royal College of Psychiatrists arguing that Charles Darwin suffered from Asperger's syndrome.

There is great evidence that that's true--including Darwin's narrow focus with detail; his tendency, even as a child, to hoard; and his difficulty with two-way conversation ("Darwin's books are much better than his conversation," the historian Thomas Buckle said after meeting him.).

I'm reading Darwin's Autobiography, diaries, and letters looking for evidence of a disorder. It is fascinating to follow in the tracks of a mind that's so unlike the ordinary mind. Darwin's devotion to detail is astounding. For instance, in between his trip on The Beagle at age 23 and the publication of Origin of Species, he took an intellectual detour into the world of barnacles. He only meant to write up a description of one strange barnacle he had discovered in South America, but a colleague urged him to describe the entire class of species. Darwin took on the task--spending eight years observing shells in museums, private collections, and the world around him, eventually mapping out a new and revolutionary typology in his A Monographof The Cirripedia (text here). His observations, made from the corners of museums and by the sides of rivers, changed the way history saw the animal. (See his attention to detail in an opening sentence: "Although the present volume is strictly systematic, I will, under the general description of the Lepadidæ, give a very brief abstract of some of the most interesting points in their internal anatomy, and in the metamorphoses of the whole class, which I hope hereafter to treat, with the necessary illustrations, in detail." )

As people with Asperger's pay attention to all sorts of details, their focus on the minute often affects their relationship to language, too. Children with Asperger's are often slow to start speaking, but they can eventually acquire bigger vocabularies than most of us.
Click to expand...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_figures_sometimes_considered_autistic

wikipedea said:

Isaac Newton

Isaac Newton hardly spoke and had few friends. He was often so absorbed in his work that he forgot to eat, demonstrating an obsessive single-mindedness that is commonly associated with Asperger's. If nobody attended his lessons, he reportedly gave lectures to an empty room. When he was 50, he suffered a nervous breakdown brought on by depression and paranoia. After Newton's death, however, his body was found to contain massive amounts of mercury, probably from his alchemical pursuits, which could have accounted for his eccentricity in later life.
Click to expand...

I remember reading somewhere that Newton died a virgin.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/5274.php

Here is advice for parents of Aspergeans:

http://www.yourlittleprofessor.com/benefits.html

---Futilitist
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