[ Originally Posted by river So you have not read any book by anybody who presents government documents either about UFO's ? Well have you? That's my point
A couple books, and I'll admit I did not finish them. I've seen many "documentaries" on the subject. But my primary influence was in researching claims and journals independently and comparing them. Over time, that turned into the realization of actuality and later into debunking online- because someone on the internet is wrong!
How old were you when you had that visitation, and would you feel comfortable giving some details? I apologise, I should have read your posts more carefully, because I assumed that you did not accept that any such activity was going on, because you seemed to dismiss the idea of aliens - ie from another planet or whatever. Whatever has taken place on earth in various times and places is not of alien origin. Contact with this technology either from creatures or craft, is not ordinarily and particularly harmful if the exposure is less than 15 minutes. It actually will tend to help heal some diseases. It is generally not good for mental health and tends to induce depression. The control they exercise over the body and mind is a result of your normal electrical signals not reaching their target, so you may be unable to move or speak. This happens as a natural consequence of the alternate material from either creature or craft, in proximity of your body. There are instruments that can be used to extend that field over a distance, through a house wall or car. If molecules in your body respond by conserving their energy, you lose weight and can be carried around quite easily. When that happens you may get the feeling that you are bent over backwards with your feet facing the wrong way. Or you might just pass out.
WOW! We've got assorted nutters and fruitcakes here but THIS guy is really off the deep end!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You have not said anything about the subject. What are you afraid of? That you cannot contribute or that it might be too much for you to figure out. It's both isn't it?
Ha-ha! I'm not afraid of anything! There's nothing TO be said. When we've got jerks like you making up "facts" as they go, you've got all the advantage here because people like me are limited to REAL facts and evidence. While you are free to claim anything and everything you imagine. Who can argue with imagination??
I replied to this silly, ignorant post but it's been held up waiting for a moderator. So wait for it...
Although I would be comfortable relaying the tale in some situations, relaying them to you is something I do not want to do. I will explain exactly why below. Your assumption was correct. As it stands, there is no substantial evidence of alien visitation. I absolutely believe that there is such a thing as extra-terrestrial life. I do not believe it has ever visited Earth, although I would be quite excited if it has. To date, I've never seen any compelling evidence that it has. I've examined many claims, many tales, etc. So, my own experience- in the end, there was a particular detail about the experience, that later in life, I realized invalidated the experience. As I grew up, I just accepted the memory without question; it simply did not occur to me that my memory was false. But, as I said, a particular detail about it, that once I examined the memory clearly, leapt out in stark contrast with observable reality. In the end, I'd experienced paralytic sleep and my memory was not based on real events but a combination of dreaming and the effects of paralytic sleep. It just makes it that much easier for me to understand how easily some people convince themselves of something they want to believe in. As to the details, I do not trust you with them- they deal with my own life and I wouldn't want you relaying information about me that may mislead people into believing I'm a UFO abductee. Yes, I recall your Dropa Disk thread... Please explain anal probes.
Fair enough. I know very little about abductions, because I was too busy studying ancient technology, but a case by case study should reveal which ones are imaginary and which are real. But before doing such a study, I would learn the motives and agenda's behind the alternate matter programmes, to be able to sort through the activities. I am not sure why you would suggest you have had an experience when you already knew it was not the real thing.
The subject is under its correct section and thread, but you've jumped into something without any goods to bring. And suddenly, anybody who can talk about the subject is a "jerk"? There is a lot of rubbish around about the topic, which can be expected, but my concerns are two fold, that people who have seen and experienced contact are validated, and that people are aware of what impact this technology will have in the near future, and what agendas come with it. If people like yourself don't arm yourselves with knowledge then you are in for a nasty ride.
Neverfly You may well know more about Project Mogul than I do for all I know but that's not what I'm talking about and it wasn't the point I made. So you're the 'real deal' are you? Well, as for knowing more about the UFO subject than I do, then I would have to say I'd be extremely surprised if that proved to be the case. In fact there is a chance that I may have been interested in this subject for longer than you've even been alive. My current position is as follows. After decades looking at a vast amount of information regarding the subject I believe that there is no longer any reasonable doubt that there are intelligently controlled craft of unknown origin operating in our atmosphere. These craft defy any conventional explanation. What they are or where they come from is another matter. What's more, I believe that any reasonably intelligent person who spends the time to really look into this subject will have to come to such a conclusion. There is more to this subject than swamp gas, weather balloons and Venus but, sadly, the vast majority of people won't put in the time or effort to educate themselves about UFOs. Quite clearly opinions based on anything other than an awareness of the full facts surrounding UFOs are worthless and people who throw around derogatory terms such as 'ufo nutters' are generally only demonstrating their own ignorance and arrogance.
By the way you stated that 'most of those radar reports came in during the Cold War and declined as the impetus for espionage and nuclear weaponry fear also declined' I'm interested to know how you came to the conclusion that real unknown radar returns have declined? Where did you get such information?
You can believe anything you want - the fact remains there is NO hard evidence. If there was anything, then it would be compelling, but there simply isn't any hard evidence to indicate that UFOs are anything other than normal everyday phenomena. There is a percentage of UFOs that cannot be explained - so what! The important part of the sentence is cannot be explained. Cannot be explained DOES NOT default to intelligently piloted craft of unknown origin. Cannot be explained means cannot be explained.
So origin have you read any books that deal with the documents from military, police, airline pilots, and thousands of citizens? World Wide
