Hi RedStar... I'm not posting in this thread, due to the fact I detest debating politics. OK I just did...(Though I read incessantly, and always watch MSNBC) But, I've been reading all your posts, and the style seems familiar. Do I know you under a diff. SN? (maybe a diff. forum.) You certainly need not answer my query, but, I'm just curious.
And they have it. Did you read this headline: Aziz Dweik, a senior Hamas leader and the speaker of the Palestinian Parliament, has been released by Israel after months of detention without charge. "Dr Aziz Dweik was released at the Beit Sira roadblock," in the occupied West Bank, the head of his office, Bahaa Yusef, told AFP on Thursday. Israel Prison Service spokeswoman Sivan Weizman confirmed: "Mr Dweik has been released from Ofer prison." Dweik's lawyer, Fadi Qawasmeh, said Israel had accepted his request not to renew his client's administrative detention for a further six months. The Israeli army arrested Dweik on January 19 at a roadblock between Jerusalem and the West Bank city of Ramallah. It said his detention without charge was necessary because of his "presumed involvement in the activities of a terrorist organisation." Dweik was appointed speaker of the Hamas-dominated Palestinian parliament elected in 2006 but the legislature has been effectively sidelined since Hamas expelled forces loyal to president Mahmud Abbas from the Gaza Strip the following year. Administrative detention is a procedure dating back to the pre-1948 British Mandate under which military courts can hold suspects without charge for periods of up to six months, which can be renewed indefinitely. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/07/201272033752504855.html They can hold whom they want for as long as they want and if they release a prisoner they do so at their own discretion or as a quid pro quo.
I'm not arguing they don't have it. I'm criticizing it, and saying they shouldn't have it and something needs to be done about it. What don't you get?
Children shouldn't get disease, I should never gain weight, we should never have our heart broken. We can criticize ourselves to death on this subject, but like I said the game is practically over and there is a clear winner. That's what you don't get.
@PJ I thought you may find this interesting. Its called A Thunder-Being Nation and if you check out this video at around at 1:13 its interesting how these people view their reservations and the US government: http://www.indiegogo.com/A-THUNDER-BEING-NATION-DOC One native referred to the reservation as a "prisoner of war camp, out of sight out of mind". Another claims that the US government should be sued over not honoring treaties. Another claims they are a prisoner in their own land. Clearly generations after the fact American Indians still feel as if they are being "occupied".
um a state can use its military to commit acts of terrorism. the strategic bombing campaigns of world war 2 were acts of terrorism.
and what you don't get is just because ISrael's star is acendant doesn't we all have to just accept something that is criminal. and the taking of another people's territory is criminal. your argue that we have to accept it we don't. just because your willing to accept it doesn't mean anyone else has too.
they are. the only differances is to to the laws at the time the legal recourses and what the law demands happenes are different. hell hawai'i fall to the states happened basicly the same way palestine fell to the zionists. buisness leaders encouraged the landing of us marines in the islands and over threw the monarchy. the zionist used the british mandate rule to basicly make sure they would be know way for the palestinians arabs to defend them selves from the zionist miltias. which is why in the mandatory period arabs were disarmed while jewsish militias were able to get armed. only difference is the US apoligized( the only time the us has ever apoligized for overthrowing a sovriegn state) the zionists have zero remorse and are still committing the same crimes against humanity now that they did back in the day.
Which explains why the British armed the Arabs, and why the Israelis had so few arms and so little ammunition at the start of the 1948 war. Sure.
Well... it sounds like you don't believe Israel should exist as a country due to how it was taken, am I right? By that logic, the USA needs to give it's land back to the Native Americans...
we have been over this. and your wrong. it was the ISraelis who were well armed and the arabs struggling for equipment to the point they could use their heavy equipment because they didn't have any ammunition. repeating the same tired Israeli propaganda that they were out gunned and out manned has been debunked time and time again. you repeating doesn't make it any less of lie or false. the ISraelis didn't have so few arms and ammo at the start of the war. they had been stockpiling them for years before the conflict.
Its very fine to apologize for crimes a hundred years down the line when you know full well that the acts cannot be overturned and knowing full well they would have they would have made the exact same choices given the opportunity. That apology is a euphemism for "sorry but it had to be". So given that reality you might as well give the zionists one hundred years and they can say sorry too knowing it won't change a damn thing. Words are cheap.
true but with words remorse can come reconcilation. ISrael isn't interested in peace or reconcilation its intrested of completly divorcing the palestinians from palastine. and both hawai'i and Israeli occupation of palastine can both be overturned real easily. the question is wanting too. though I firmly believe the conflict can only end with a military invasion of israel and returning sovriegnty to the palstinians. a state ruled by fear will always be in armed conflict with something because enemies will always be too close.
@PJ PJ you don't really believe that the US government feels remorse do you?:bugeye: When they apologize they are not reconciling with the people who were disenfranchised, those people are dead and gone and the new people that exist aren't even fully indigenous, they are american. Are you suggesting that the US is going to give up Hawaii as a state and declare it sovereign? Not only would they not do that but they would send an army if there was any indication that they would secede. But even still, there are too few native Hawaiians left anyway. No one is going to go and fight the Israeli's for the Palestinians. Why? Besides the fact that it would assure complete Palestinian devastation, there is nothing in it for other nations, not in anyone's interest. Its the same reason why there will be no army to force China out of Tibet. Its not only never going to happen, it would be a devastatingly stupid act.
hi tovarish why do you have to use the cheap word "Bourgeois " the era of your so called communism is over, piss on Marx , he was basing his ideas on kibutz , or in old Christian commune which worked for a wile and collapsed. Tell me can you come up with an improvement of your past communism . According to my father wen Lenin was in power it was ok for the peasants, but wen the Georgian murder got into power he really made bad for the small land owners,
