Very good, ISDAMan. You've improved drastically. You managed to ask a question of Flash and sling some mud at me all in one short paragraph. I'm really proud of the progress you've made! ------------------ www.indigenousrocks.com
Searcher, The truth is like a red hot poker. Is it not? Perhaps my method of answering your last post was not the best. I am truly sorry if I hurt you in any way. Still, how often do you think you can act in that way and not hear about it? It's all good when you are claiming that someone else needs a change. Someone else is wrong. You think you're so slick at times. Turn the tables and your the poor innocent victim. You're always the victim aren't you? There's a God that would make you the victor. I'm really unsure what else to say to you. It breaks my heart to know that you are living a life in enmity to the God that created you. I care. I really do. I'm sorry that I felt it necessary to shock you in that way. I know that it's tantamount to a verbal spanking. Speaking like that is not something I like to do. None the less, there is a real issue of maturity here that inhibits you greatly. You think you don't have a problem? Then, tell me, why do you come to this place to argue about the ways of a God that you say does not exist? Let Christ Into You Heart And Be Saved!!!!, ISDAMan
Searcher, Why do you have a problem with this? Because God said that this practice had to be changed? Why do you think God gave us the Word? It was because we were lost and did not know the way. Does this make God "bad" or "good" in your opinion? If you were to try to bake a cake which called for baking powder and you had been mistakenly using baking soda and someone informed you of the proper ingredient for the recipe in order for you to actually make the cake, would you consider them a bad person because they showed you the correct way and told you that if you continued to use the baking soda that you would never make the cake?
Wow, you guys have been busy. Flash, I'm sure you won't mind, but I'm gonna fill in Vinnie on your "Christian experience". Feel free to add to this, but since you've told me a lot about it, I think I may be able to sum it up nicely. And I also very, very much think that it is a big reason why you detest the religion so much today, and the same reason why many others do. She was subjected to judgement overload to the nth degree. The kind of people who would hypothetically disown a child to "save face" in their church. You know, because the child committed a sin. Excuse me, but that doesn't make sense, ok? The kind of people who would like to entertain the thought that they were better than others, or that she wasn't good enough. Since I had an abortion, I often think about what it is that makes women make a decision like that. I had to analyze my own reasons, but another reason crossed my mind. It occurred to me that it was brutally ironic that there are probably people who profess to be Christians, and are avid church goers, who if their teenage daughter was to end up pregnant, would be first in line at the abortion clinic, all hush-hush to save face. Or better yet, just kick a pregnant teen out of the house and disown her to save face. Brutally ironic, judgemental, dishonest, and not anything like JESUS. Now, these are hypothetical situations that depict the kind of judgement, holier than thou, you're gonna burn in hell cause you're just not good enough crap that she was exposed to. It really pisses me off since I've been trying to do damage control over it for how long now? I'm not gonna give up though. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Searcher, The commandment about not worshipping other gods is based upon and important because of some underlying assumptions that are taught in the Bible. One being that there really IS only one God. Another being that if you are tempted by other gods or spirits to follow them or another god, then they are certainly of Satan. I mean, the teachings just do not offer any other explanation at all, and it is very, very clear in the one that it does offer. The Father of Jesus Christ IS really the only God and Creator, and Jesus really is His only Son. The only being who would possibly get in the way of you realizing that is Satan. In fact that is his only purpose; to keep us from our God and from the truth about Him and ourselves. And let's not forget the assumption that God loves us more than we can even imagine is possible. So, this all leads to the conclusion that the commandment regarding worship of other gods is there for our protection. Messing around with deceptive spirits is the most dangerous thing that you can do ever. Why? Because they're deceptive, and without God's word you can NOT tell the difference. That is said in the Bible as well. There is no deception if you are aware that you're being deceived. It's all for your benefit, and not for His ego. He doesn't have one. Skye, Why do you have a problem with a Sabbath day if your own religion has a Sabbath day? I'm not sure I understand. ------------------ "ET phone home!" "Uh, hello Satan?" "Hey, your plan worked great! They all think I'm cute!"
ISDAMan, You tell me - it's quite obvious to me that I've stung you in some way of which I am unaware (most likely by refusing to give in to your outdated ideas of male superiority). For that I apologize - I only meant to make it clear to you that I don't buy into what I consider to be your Neanderthal idea of the perfect marriage. No, I'm not a victim in any way, because I won't allow myself to be the victim in these little online spats. I can see it hasn't escaped your notice that I do have a habit of fighting back, so how does that make me a victim? I know that really bothers you since it is also quite obvious that you consider women to be inferior in some way to men, but I will not be your victim here - sorry. I may have a slight reading disability ISDAMan, but I am not blind to the slings and arrows you've been sending my way lately. Apparently that's your definition of "mature discussion". Again, I'm not your victim. I have asked you several times to keep your posts to me short, if not sweet (the sweet part I will leave to your Christian discretion). There is a reason for that. Apparently you view it as just another opportunity for you to attack what you consider to be a weakness in your opponent. Again - I won't put up with that kind of behavior from you. Is that clear? As for coming here to argue religion - I might ask you the same question? It takes two to tango, ISDAMan - and I'm not arguing with myself here, am I? Come to think of it, maybe I am - I haven't received anything from you that could really qualify as an answer to my ONE question to you. Maybe that's my fault - maybe I haven't phrased the question clearly enough for you? If you choose to answer it, this is my one question to you: Why can't you accept your wife as the joint head of your household? That's all I have to say to you for now, ISDAMan. If you choose to be more civil in your future dialog with me, then I would be happy to continue the discussion. Otherwise, just skip it - it's obvious we're both wasting our time. P.S. If there is something I've said to you that you consider uncivil, please point it out and I will try to explain it or apologize for it or both, as is warranted. ------------------ www.indigenousrocks.com
TS & Lori, The question was posed earlier which of the 10 commandments people have problems with. I was just listing the ones that I personally have problems with, that's all. If any of the commandments, by their nature, require people to give up their existing religions (and those religions aren't hurting anyone - Satanism's not included, as far as I'm concerned) - then that's a problem for me. I have no problem with not stealing or murdering or coveting my neighbor's wife, etc. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Lori, I was the one who mentioned having a problem with the one about remembering the Sabbath and keeping it holy. Mostly this has to do with the idea that no work should be done on this day (which is just not possible - what about hospitals, emergency services and the like?). Also, this apparently didn't include what was traditionally considered to be "women's work", such as preparing meals, cleaning up after meals, taking care of the children, etc. Back in Biblical times, did the men pitch in and help with these things so the women didn't have to do all the work on the Sabbath? Or was it expected that everyone go hungry and children run around in messy diapers that day? And how does it fit into today's world? (Not very well is my guess.) ------------------ www.indigenousrocks.com
Searcher, I'm just trying to explain it, that's all? I don't think it's about children being uncomfortable, or housework and who does it, and we in fact, not God, set up a system in which we receive our medical care at a hospital which is filled with people who's full time job it is to man it. Did you know that if there was no sin at all ever on this whole earth throughout the history of time that we would never get sick or die? It's true! I think that the Sabbath is important to take time out to remember who it is that we work to glorify every day. To take time to study His word, and to foster your relationship with Him intently through worship and prayer and praise. And hey, to rest. Even God rested on the seventh day. ------------------ "ET phone home!" "Uh, hello Satan?" "Hey, your plan worked great! They all think I'm cute!"
Searcher, <CENTER><TABLE><TR><TD WIDTH="500"><FONT SIZE="1">QUOTE: <HR><FONT SIZE="1">I know that really bothers you since it is also quite obvious that you consider women to be inferior in some way to men, but I will not be your victim here - sorry.</FONT><HR></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE></CENTER> Please, point out where I have ever called women inferior. I have stated again and again the very opposite. I am in awe of the wisdom God has given truestory. I have even told SkyeBlue how I respect her. I've called her a blessing. She even affirmed that she and I are not that far off from one another after all. When God made Adam and Eve, He made them sinless. He made Eve to complete man. It's His design that man and woman are to become one flesh. Why would God have man become one flesh with a woman if she is inferior? The fact is that she is not inferior. She is the same and different all at the same time. <CENTER><TABLE><TR><TD WIDTH="500"><FONT SIZE="1">QUOTE: <HR><FONT SIZE="1">I may have a slight reading disability ISDAMan, but I am not blind to the slings and arrows you've been sending my way lately. Apparently that's your definition of "mature discussion". Again, I'm not your victim. I have asked you several times to keep your posts to me short, if not sweet (the sweet part I will leave to your Christian discretion). There is a reason for that. Apparently you view it as just another opportunity for you to attack what you consider to be a weakness in your opponent. Again - I won't put up with that kind of behavior from you. Is that clear?</FONT><HR></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE></CENTER> I'm afraid that my psychic friend hangs up on me whenever I call Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!. I had no way of knowing that you have a reading disability. I can admit it. I was wrong to post that little remark in my post to Flash. I let my frustration get the best of me. There was a clear example of a Christian that did not have his eyes clearly focused upon God's ways alone. I'm guilty of some assertion of self. I have to pay the price. So, I ask you. Can you forgive me? Do you think that we can promise to be friends from now on? If you give me more info on your reading disability, I'll do my best to ensure that I focus on tending to your needs in posting. You can even e-mail me privately. Also, I have no desire to attack you. In fact, that's the way I have felt you being towards me. I do still contend that it's your outlook on life that makes you go looking for battles. It's easy to find problems when you are looking for them. <CENTER><TABLE><TR><TD WIDTH="500"><FONT SIZE="1">QUOTE: <HR><FONT SIZE="1">Why can't you accept your wife as the joint head of your household?</FONT><HR></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE></CENTER> Perhaps, this answer will be better suited to you than my others. I know that you will not like it. It's simply because God says so. He designed man to function in one role. He designed woman to function in another. Put them together and it's like one's the sweet peanut buttery filling and the other is the chocolate shell of a Resee's Peanut Butter Cup. The man and woman make a great team and neither is better or more important. God Loves us all the same!!!!!! I am not certain why you did not see this in my former posts. I really could use your help in understanding what you are seeing in my words, where, and why. <CENTER><TABLE><TR><TD WIDTH="500"><FONT SIZE="1">QUOTE: <HR><FONT SIZE="1">If there is something I've said to you that you consider uncivil, please point it out and I will try to explain it or apologize for it or both, as is warranted.</FONT><HR></FONT></TD></TR></TABLE></CENTER> No apology is required Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!! Jesus and I Love YOU Dearly!!!!!, ISDAMan P.S.- I hope that you don't think that having a reading disability makes you a weak person. The only woman I have ever been in love with is dyslexic. There's nothing bad to hide there. It's o.k. to have hope. It's even o.k. not to be strong.
ISDAMan, Thank you for your last post. I feel better about that one than I did the last few you posted. And yes, I can forgive you. As I said, my reading disability is slight - mostly I am a painfully slow reader, and sometimes I just don't see certain words correctly to the point where it changes the meaning of an entire sentence (or the sentence fails to make any sense at all until I reread it several times over). Ugh!!! But I've always been an excellent speller and my vocabulary is reasonable, so go figure. The problem is bad enough that I've had to drop college courses because of timed tests where I didn't even have time enough to read all of the questions, much less answer them. But it doesn't make me a victim - I refuse to allow that!! But I admit that sometimes I do get very frustrated when I really want to read all of the posts in a particular thread or forum - and especially the ones addressed to me - but normally I don't have time for it. I've been on vacation the last two weeks, and have been able to read and respond almost to my heart's content. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Next week I have to go back to work, and I'll have to pare it back down a bit. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Okay - now onto the rest of your points. I was inferring that you considered women to be inferior from several of your remarks to me. Partially it's because you don't feel a woman should share the responsibility of "head of household" (that's a major sticking point with me), and partially it's because of some of the comments like "verbal spanking" - please. I'm going to be a grandmother in February, for goodness sake. I didn't think that comment was appropriate at all! You say that you feel I go looking for battles. Well, not consciously - but since I seem to find them so readily, or at least, they find me, maybe that's true to some degree. I know I don't back down from a fight - that is an integral part of my personality. I'm sorry if I come across as a battle ax - not the most attractive trait in a woman, particularly from your perspective, I'm sure. ISDAMan, I can accept that you must be head of household in your home - as long as your wife is happy with that, it doesn't really bother me. Hopefully, you can accept that my husband and I do things quite a bit differently in our home. ISDAMan, you and I are two completely different people with very different belief systems. I could never in a million years be married to you, nor you to me. But yes, we can be friends - as long as there is mutual respect between us. I promise to try harder not to be so contentious, if you'll do the same. Okay? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! ------------------ www.indigenousrocks.com
Lori, I don't mind you filling in some blanks..however, you made it sound like I was a teenage girl who got knocked up... So I want to CLEAR that one up. I have never been pregnant in my life! Alright ISDAMan..here is a brief history. I was raised in a Lutheran church. Now, this church did not act as the one Lori is talking about... maybe some of their members but for the most part..not like that. I remember when I was a child there were a lot of times my parents forced me to go..which I hated..but what can a child say? No? As if that would work! LOL As I got older...teenage years... I quit going as much as I could get by with. The other church was the one that Lori describes certainly fits the picture... the preacher even got onto church members because they were at Wal-Mart on sunday after church..and that should not be....know what is funny about that? I saw him there on a sunday... Repent was a lot of what the messages got around to... one has to walk a very straight line. A lot of the members there were on me all the time telling me I wasn't "living right"... ect... I went there heck..I don't know how long... But talk about total disgust they had for me when I quit going... Flash quit there little party and they no longer had a project to try to shape and mold. The last church I attended was a non-denominational church (are you shocked?) Although I did like the preacher..there were times he totally pissed me off to no end. There was a friend of mine who was going through a divorce..and he spent the whole "sermon" talking about how WRONG she was for getting one...was talking about her marriage and things that were done wrong..ect... WHILE SHE WAS THERE! A LOT of the times he would use the pulpit as a time to gossip about this person and that..and every time he'd get up there you would hold your breath thinking...please don't say anything about me...please... and yeah, there were times he did. Outside of things like that...it was the closest thing I had ever witnessed to as a loving church. I do want to state for the record though.. I do not feel that I was subjected to judement overload in the same manner that Lori is making it out to be...in other words..it has NOTHING to do with me accepting Jesus or not accepting him.
Flash, Bull shoot it doesn't! ROFLMAO! Sorry, didn't mean to make it sound like you were a naughty little girl, that was completely hypothetical. That very scenario slapped me right across my brain one day though, when I was thinking about the abortion. The thought of it was so perversely hypocritical that it about made me sick. You can apply the situation as an analogy to a lot of circumstances similar to that within the church and that just bugs the crap out of me. I don't think that Flash understands how damaging it can be exactly. I'm taking an educated guess. I don't think that a lot of people do. ------------------ "Go Jesus, go! Go Jesus, go!" I finally get to be the cheerleader that I always wanted to be but could not, as I was not a fluff chick. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Lori, Come on and give me a break...for ONCE!!!! I know why I feel the way I do...why I choose to believe or not to believe... don't you think I know??????????? Don't you??? Then again..I guess it doesn't matter then..does it...cause I know..and just because you think differently doesn't mean your observation is correct. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Flash, Duh, I dunno. Why is that you feel the way you do again? I forget. ------------------ "Go Jesus, go! Go Jesus, go!" I finally get to be the cheerleader that I always wanted to be but could not, as I was not a fluff chick.
Flash, I don't know if MY observation is correct, but, from what I've observed here... either you DON'T know, or, for some unknown reason, you can't or won't explain it!??
Lori, I have stated why on another thread... has to do with the Spirit of Truth and what I have been taught. NOW do you REMEMBER??? Smart butt!!! TS, Same answer applies here too... I have been explaining some things...come on.. would it hurt to give me a little credit? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Flash, "Smart-butt" Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! LMAO! Why don't you tell us more about your Spirit O' Truth? How did you find it? How is it presented to you? What does it tell you? See guys, me and Flash's spirit o' crap, uh, I mean truth, have been going "head-to-head" for a while now. We are adversaries. Grrrrrrr. I don't like it's fruit not one little bit. Rotten fruit. P-U! (just to clarify, not you Flash, but your beliefs about Jesus, they stink). Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! ------------------ "Go Jesus, go! Go Jesus, go!" I finally get to be the cheerleader that I always wanted to be but could not, as I was not a fluff chick.
Well...why should I go into all of that since you ALREADY know? Maybe I think you are deceived... that you are buying into it. Shake loose of the things that bind you... clear your mind..focus on the Spirit of Truth... be free grasshopper! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Cause you're a walking talking witness to the word of our Lord, no not your little lord, but THE Lord, and I think that you should share the source of your new-found, pro-found, spirit o' cra...truth. TS wants to know. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! It's really the spirit of the antichrist. TS nailed it with very little to go on might I add. Nice job, TS. It's obvious, and you could testify to that. Even though it's not so obvious to you, blinded by the light as you are. Don't make me call you a pussy again. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! That's not a cuss word is it? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Listen, if your spirit is the truth, then why not share the truth? For it is what we all seek, and you know that right? ------------------ "Go Jesus, go! Go Jesus, go!" I finally get to be the cheerleader that I always wanted to be but could not, as I was not a fluff chick.
ALRIGHT GUYS YOU READY FOR THIS!!!! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! SORRY LADIES! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! "In like manner also that women adorn themselves in modest apparel with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach nor to USURP authority over the man, but to be in SILENCE. For Adam was first formed, then Eve; woman being deceived was in the transgression: Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. -------------------------------------------- TIMOTHY Ch.9(9-15) I'm not sure if you guys talked about this yet or not but I thought I would through this in here to get things going again. If this is old news then sorry ladies but if not then your welcome guys! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! ------------------ Just got to have faith... .........in whatever you believe in!!!
Sorry Whammy! The letters to Timothy are from Paul who was very much into the cultural beliefs of Old Testament Judaism. Jesus Christ, God in the flesh, corrected such Old Testament beliefs and made it very clear that we are all equal in the Spirit of Jesus Christ. So, yes, it is old news. By the way, the New American Bible which I am currently referencing does not contain such a chapter and verses. Which publication are you referencing? [This message has been edited by truestory (edited January 02, 2000).]
