Plain observation on my dog I like to hear on other dogs

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  1. Cai Registered Member

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    ha ha
     
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  3. Aladdin Registered Senior Member

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    That's easier said than done in my case, 'cause I happen to have times when taking a half an hour (or longer) dog walk in the evening just isn't something enjoyable. Luckily, my wife saves me most of the times. When she's not available, I usually just let the dog out in the front yard for a while.


    That (the barking) is the other annoying thing about my dog -- not so much for me, but for my neighbors

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    . He's used to have one of us around (wife being a SAHM, child being homeschooled), so when all of us are leaving he usually becomes agitated and starts barking and running between the window and the door for a long while. Again, not sure how to gain any control over this type of situations.

    The funny thing is that on a couple of occasions when my wife and kid went on longer vacations and I stayed at home with the pets (there was also a cat in the picture; sadly, not anymore), somehow the dog understood the situation and didn't barked, though he spent long stretches of time (something like 10 hours) alone, indoors, every working day. So he is capable of changing his behavior based on some clues he gets from us, problem is it's up to him, not to me, when he "reads" these clues, and when not.



    Large dog (around 80lbs) and we do not control his intakes very religiously. His food bowl is most of the time full (or half-full) and we pretty much let him eat whenever he feels like. (Which sometimes happens over the night, sometimes when the bowl is refreshed, or after a snack or two he manages to get from our table during meal time...)


    My impression is that my dog is pretty good at sensing a new routine. If I manage to wake up for two or three mornings in a row and go for a jog with him, I'm pretty sure the following day he's waiting for me on the staircase, tail wagging, eyes smiling, not quite able to content himself at the excitement of another early run. However, if I stop doing this for a few days (which is kind of inevitable) I usually found him fast asleep on the floor, only jumping up when I call him and let him know is time for a short walk outside.



    Sure is, especially if he has trouble digesting, which is when the "accidents" usually happen. Add to that the throw-up reflex I'm usually struggling with on such a sight and the picture is pretty much complete.

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  5. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    As soon as you rattle the dogs lead, you are committed to the walk.
    Those are the rules.
    The dog's disappointment if you don't go out is unbearable.

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    And if you do spend an hour out on a vile day with the dog,
    you feel better for it too.

    Are some of our instincts built in reactions to dogs?

    Cats have it too.

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    I wonder. Is it an exaggeration of human body language, which animals adopt to manipulate us?
    Or is it a unique communication between ourselves and our chosen companions?
     
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  7. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    I think monkeys use it more than humans.

    Look at:

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    and

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    When babies want attention, they use noise rather than facial expressions.

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  8. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Not exactly.

    Remember that dogs reach reproductive age in less than a year. So in the 12,000 years since the first lazy wolves decided to give up chasing antelopes and take up the easy life of eating the mountains of perfectly tasty food that humans leave on the ground around our villages, they've gone through fifteen thousand generations of human-directed selective breeding. They are now a distinct subspecies of wolf, Canis lupus familiaris. They have smaller brains to survive on the lower-protein diet of a scavenger and their teeth are better shaped for chewing carrots than ripping apart a wildebeest, but the most phenomenal change is in their instincts.

    It is they who have adapted to the relationship, not us. They have become more gregarious: no wolf pack has more than a dozen members, whereas dogs hang out in gigantic packs that even include other species like horses, cats, monkeys, parrots and humans. They've learned to read our facial expressions, adapted to our schedules, even understand a few of our words.

    In addition, they exhibit neoteny. Watch some wildlife documentaries about wolves and you'll see their puppies barking, chasing sticks, and roughhousing. But the adults never do that. Dogs never stop! They retain their puppy behaviors until their dying day.

    So yeah, they know exactly what to do to make us go, "Aww, look at the cute doggie!"
    The best deal we've ever gotten from twelve thousand years of evolution.
    Cats exhibit neoteny, but only in domestication. We pick them up and carry them around, we feed them, we cuddle them: We act like we're momma cats and they're our kittens. This reanimates their kitten instincts. They even socialize with other cats, something that adult cats don't do in the wild. They might tolerate each other if they've found an easy life near human habitation eating rodents and having little treats tossed at them, so there's no competition for prey, but they're not exactly friends.
    A little of that, and some behaviors they have developed experimentally that work.

    Since we're a pack-social species and our children require parenting for almost two decades (much longer than even whales and elephants), we all have the instinct to be kind and nurturing to children, even if they're not our own. Our species could not survive if we weren't like this.

    So all another species of animal has to do is learn how to mimic human children, and suddenly he's got a pillow and a dish of food.
     
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    Neoteny ( /niːˈɒtɨniː/), also called juvenilization,[2] is one of the two ways by which pedomorphism can arise. Pedomorphism is the retention by adults of traits previously seen only in juveniles, and is a subject studied in the field of developmental biology.


    Perhaps women Neotenise men.
    The stability of a ten year old boy prefigures the man at his best.
    Once the complications of reproduction arise, everything goes haywire.
     
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  10. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    Is anyone here familiar with Cesar Millan's work?
     
  11. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    What's that about?
     
  12. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesar_Millan

    He's a dog trainer, kind of famous, although a bit controversial.

    I don't own a dog, but I have to deal with several regularly in our street.
    I watched Millan's shows on tv and applied his insights - and it worked wonders.
    And even just seeing on tv the way the dogs have changed under his influence - that is very inspiring, it helped against my fear of dogs.
     
  13. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    He has a dog's name, Cesar.
    Wouldn't that confuse the real dogs?
     
  14. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    César is a relatively common man's name in Spanish-speaking countries. It's simply the old Roman imperial title Caesar.

    And it's not exactly unknown in anglophone countries. Caesar Rodney signed the Declaration of Independence and Caesar Romero was a well-known movie and TV actor in my day.
     
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    They might confuse dogs too.
    Look at this Spanish Water dog.

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    He's called Cesar, but he won't fetch sticks. What's wrong with that dog?
     
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  16. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    That's your problem right there. Free-feeding may work for outdoor dogs, but it's a disaster with indoor dogs. The dog needs to be able to go out for a dump within an hour after eating, because his intestine is so short that there's no storage room for extra feces.

    Even if he's an older dog who might settle down and go to sleep, if he's not deaf something is bound to awaken him during the day and get him moving. The activity will stimulate his organs and he'll have to go.

    Feed him once in the morning and once in the evening. That way you control his schedule.

    In order to avoid this problem most people feed smaller dogs only once a day, and many even do this with large dogs. But in a large dog this has the risk of dilatation and volvulus, or "stomach torsion," which requires immediate medical attention or it can be fatal. Of course the risk is small: In the wild, wolves may eat only once a day or even once in two days, and the species has survived very well. It comes down to risk management: a choice between a small health risk versus a large housekeeping risk (cleaning up messes several times per week).
    Looks very similar to Bo, the famous Portuguese water dog in the White House.
    Do you think Julius Caesar ever fetched sticks???

    Over the decades we have learned to be very careful in choosing a name for a new pet. We named one bird Amelia Earhart and another Icarus, and they were both lost in flight.

    We named a dog Batmanuel (after the character in the quickly-canceled live-action TV show "The Tick"), and he actually swoops. We breed Lhasa Apsos and this 20-lb stud once jumped all the way up onto the kitchen counter, and then up into the windowsill, then seven feet down to the patio, in order to have access to a bitch in heat.

    We named another dog Valentine and she was the sweetest dog who ever lived.
     
  17. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    On the Cesar Millan show, there was once a case of a small, feisty and very problematic dog whose name was Tarzan or something like that. The first thing Millan suggested was a change of name - his suggestion was "Robert Downey Jr."
     
  18. spockster Registered Member

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    my dog urinated like a female dog even after being around other male dogs as a puppy.

    I think a lot if programmed into animals at the gene level, like human babies squeezing your hand hard (a human baby has enough force to hang off a object it can grasp in its hands), same thing as baby antelope running within minutes of being born (they're not taught).
     
  19. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Most baby mammals are born with brains large enough to perform many of the tasks they'll need as adults. But the human brain is 3-4 times as large (in proportion to our bodies) as our closest cousins, the chimpanzees and gorillas. That's an awfully big head to squeeze out through the birth canal. Especially since our bipedal walking style places a limit on the width of our pelvis--imagine the immense rocking motion if your feet were two or three times farther apart than they are.

    So our babies' brains are tiny. They're arguably the most helpless of all newborn mammals. So they can't do much of anything.
     
  20. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Babies are generally squeezed out by the mother.
    Very few walk out.
     
  21. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    What I meant was:

    In order for newborn humans to have brains as well-developed as newborn giraffes, their heads would have to be twice as large as they are. This would require the birth canal to be twice as big as it is. This would require the pelvis to be wider. Wider hips mean the thighs would be farther apart: a wider stance.

    Walking bipedally causes a complete transfer of our body weight from one leg to the other with every step: a tremendous rocking motion with constantly-reversing inertia. If our legs were even farther apart than they are, the muscles in our thighs, hips and buttocks would have to be much larger, stronger and heavier than they are already.

    Our gait would be ponderous. Our torso would sway visibly from side to side. It might be impossible to run. Not to mention climbing stairs!

    Oh... and for a baby's brain to grow larger before birth, the gestation period would have to be longer. Imagine a fifteen-month pregnancy instead of nine!

    And imagine your vertical-standing, bipedal-walking wife carrying that gigantic fetus around!
     
  22. 1nf1del Registered Member

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    This, he is still a pup.
     
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