Plain observation on my dog I like to hear on other dogs

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  1. arauca Banned Banned

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    My dog is a male dog big, he urinate as a female dog , Should a male dog not mark by lifting the hind leg ?

    If I give my dog a bone he goes buries it , No one have trained him to do that . He is seven months old

    Is to bury bones or other food an inborn instinct and is an instinct programmed on the gene or is it an epigenetic insert ?
    The male dog urinating in tree legs is it passed down by dog culture ?
     
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  3. Epictetus here & now Registered Senior Member

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    Maybe it's like some human male dogs pee sitting down or squatting like females. It's just their preference.

    As for the burying of bones... perhaps your pup has seen it done in cartoons. Have you been letting Tom & Jerry on while you're out?

    Unsupervised viewing of TV is bad for youngsters of all species.
     
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    Perhaps this society were the pips are raised in homes or been chained down have not been exposed as the digs who wonder on the street, they don't need to marke a territory ?
     
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  7. Dinosaur Rational Skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    I expect your dog to urinate like other males dogs when he matures a bit.

    The testosterone level has an effect on how dogs urinate & your dog might not have a high enough level of it yet.

    I think I read an article which claimed that female dogs urinate like males if provided with testosterone for a while.
     
  8. Epictetus here & now Registered Senior Member

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    Hmmm. Well, they could try. Wouldn't they dribble?

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  9. Stoniphi obscurely fossiliferous Valued Senior Member

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    He is still a baby, don't take it too seriously as it is not important in the long run.

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    Any behavior is instinctive if it is performed without being based upon prior experience, that is, in the absence of learning and is therefore an expression of innate biological factors. Sea turtles, newly hatched on a beach, will automatically move toward the ocean. A joey climbs into its mother's pouch upon being born.[1] Honeybees communicate by dancing in the direction of a food source without formal instruction. Other examples include animal fighting, animal courtship behavior, internal escape functions, and building of nests. All of these are examples of complex behaviors and are thus substantially different from simple reflex behaviors. A formal definition of instinct is as follows: "An instinct is an inborn complex pattern of behavior that must exist in every member of the species and, because it is embedded in the genetic code, cannot be overcome by force of will. It should be distinguished from a reflex which is a simple response of an organism to a specific stimulus, such as the contraction of the pupil in response to bright light or the spasmodic movement of the lower leg when the knee is tapped. Instincts, in contrast, are complex sequential stimulus-response patterns; such behaviors are readily identified in non-human animals".

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  11. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Males sometimes urinate by squatting and females sometimes do it by lifting their leg. It's a bit unusual bit it's nothing to worry about. In particular, if your male does not have a strong alpha (leadership) instinct, he is more likely to do this.

    You may find yourself lucky. All dogs have "accidents" occasionally. If they lift their leg and spray on the walls or the furniture, it is much more work to clean up than if they simply squirt down on the floor.

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    Both sexes mark territory with their own pheronomes as a way of communicating with other dogs; this is a genetic instinct that they obey even if there are no other dogs around. This is why they love to mark the tires on your car. They have been rolling on the ground, picking up other dogs' urine, so they think it is the neighborhood bulletin board.
    That's an instinct. The bacteria in the soil that turn garbage into compost will soften the bone a tiny bit and also add some flavor. It also allows them to save it for later in case there's a famine. If he leaves it out some other scavenger might come along and steal it.
    That's an instinct too. Wolves are pack-social by instinct and they don't want other packs invading their territory, so they put up signs telling other wolves that this territory is already occupied.

    Of course we've been selectively breeding dogs for thousands of generations so they are now significantly different from wolves. They are much more gregarious, form much larger packs, and since they don't have to hunt for food anymore they usually welcome strangers as new pack-members instead of fighting over the territory. But they still mark it as a way of communicating with each other. "Smell my urine: the food is really good over here!"
     
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    Thanks for the info.
     
  13. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Usually, pups learn bathroom etiquette by example: if he's seen his mother urinate, but not his father, he may not know there is another way. He'll probably see other adult dogs in the park and imitate them, once he starts deciphering the messages on tree-trunks.

    In a large dog of this age, however, squatting may have a greater significance. It may be difficult or painful for him to lift a hind leg high enough. Watch for other signs of stiffness or discomfort and maybe have him checked for hip dysplasia - if present, the sooner treated the better.
     
  14. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    That's the answer I would have given too, if I'd known it.

    Have you seen the film "The Full Monty"?
    Six ex-steelworkers, emasculated by unemployment, eventually regain their mojo by becoming strippers.
    They hit rock bottom when they see their cackling womenfolk urinating, standing up, in their male urinals.
    A horrible sight, even if you are not unemployed and demoralised.
     
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  15. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Uh... you're gonna have to 'splain that, dude.
     
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    Probably because it's the one thing little boys can brag about, when the girls are taller, more dexterous and more advanced in verbal skills - around age 6-9 --- But we can pee standing up!
     
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    Campmor used to sell a small plastic gadget for female hikers who did not want to have to drop their drawers and squat to pee while out in the bush. I am sure those are still around, wouldn't be at all surprised if Campmor still sells those.

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    It is remarkable that two different instincts can operate in the same animal,
    the choice triggered by the amount of Testosterone.

    Do castrated dogs tend to use the squatting method?
     
  20. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Surely you've noticed the same thing in our species.

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    No. They develop their habits at a very young age and then continue to exhibit them. They don't have our massive forebrain so it's much more difficult for them to override either an instinct or a habit than it is for us. And you know how hard it is for us!

    Some castrated dogs can even copulate. We had one who used to always get our breeder females when they were in heat. That's okay. Females will mate with every male in the pack, because that way they all think the puppies are theirs and will protect them.
     
  21. Aladdin Registered Senior Member

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    My dog urinates both styles: squatting and lifting hind leg. I don't think I can say he favors one over the other. Male, large, and over five years old. While a puppy he did preferred squatting.

    And no, he has almost zero leadership instincts. He's always ready to play with any dog that appears in his eye sight, male or female, small or large. He only changes attitude and puts up a fight if the other dog attacks him, but even then is more likely to do it in a playful kind of way. I think I've only seen him once getting into warrior mode and being aggressive to another dog, and that happened when he wasn't aware of the other dog getting close to him and jumping on his back, biting.


    Well, Fraggle, if you have any words of wisdom on how to avoid these type of "accidents" I'll certainly be interested in those.

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    I have no clue how to train my dog on waking me up when he has an urge to go outside. I wouldn't mind being awoken... err, certainly not as much as finding a puddle (or worse) in the middle of the living room the following morning.
     
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    The stuff you learn on the Internet! Best thread of all my forums today.
     
  23. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    The secret to "training" a dog to do anything is utter, soul-sapping consistency without deviation: in other words, you have to train yourself. They don't understand time very well, but train him to go out when a specific event occurs: getting up in the morning, the sound of the tea kettle steaming, sitting down to breakfast, shaving. Things that you do every day at about the same time that he will notice; preferably by hearing, smelling or feeling, since most dogs are legally blind by human standards. If you have a "keen-eyed" breed like a Maltese or a Lab (which would be about 20/60 on our scale) then you can give him visual cues.

    Always let him out after eating and after a long sleep. Dogs have just about the shortest intestine in the animal kingdom so the next meal always pushes out the last one. Most dogs can hold their bladder for about ten hours, especially when you're not home because that's when they get the other half of their beauty sleep. But if something wakes them up and gets them running around the house and/or barking, all bets are off.

    If you have a smaller breed he only needs one large meal per day, so make it in the evening and put him out ritually right after eating and again before bed. (And of course in the morning and a couple of other times.) He'll learn from you that there's no need to get up when there are noises in the dark. Larger breeds require two smaller meals to avoid twisted stomach--I forget the medical term for that but it's dire. If they're left alone all day you have some serious training to do. If they hear some activity outside and start running around, their metabolism kicks into a higher gear and they may not be able to hold it.

    Last I heard, the longest any dog had ever been able to hold his urine was 13 hours. And you don't want to do that to your dog, it's too hard on him.

    The important thing with a dog is routine. They get a sense of security out of knowing what's going to happen next. Security builds contentment. Contentment is relaxing. Relaxed dogs sleep when you're not home and awake.
    Poop is actually easier to deal with than urine. It's messier to clean up, but once you've got it it's gone. Urine soaks in and leaves a smell, even in the microscopic gaps in a wooden floor, but especially in a carpet or rug. Use Nature's Miracle for that.
     
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