Misogyny and Health Care: When it doesn't take two to tango?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Tiassa, Mar 13, 2012.

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  1. Bells

    Bells Staff Member

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    No. Not like the US at all. In Australia, they also factor in the mental health of the mother. Unlike in the US, which you admitted yourself earlier in this thread.

    Your despicable attitude and beliefs on mental illness aside, it is nothing like in the US.

    Nope. Sorry to burst your 'because Arthur says so' bubble.. If a woman suffers from a mental illness and doctors agree with her that having the baby will be detrimental to her mental health, she can be granted a late term abortion.
     
    Bells, Apr 12, 2012
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  3. Trippy

    Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    I think this centers around a misunderstanding.

    Yes, in Australia, a woman can decide to have a post 20-week abortion because going full term might be detrimental to her health.

    But before there can be any cutting, injections or insertions she must first convince her GP, then convince up to two trained and qualified Counsellers (IE psychologists and psychiatrists), or ins ome cases I imagine more might be involved.

    For someone who is genuinely mentally ill, or has a history of things like post-partum psychosis, this might be pretty straightforward.

    The misunderstanding seems to come about because of the clauses "they will receive counselling" and "If her doctor believes that the pregnancy will impact on her mental health". Both of which must substantially alter the interpretation of the sentences in question, as they set the bar for the degree of difficulty.

    So yes, it is as simple as the mother saying "Carrying this baby through to full term will be detrimental to my mental health". However, before anything can actually happen she has to convince at least three medical professionals.
     
    Trippy, Apr 12, 2012
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  5. adoucette

    adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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  7. adoucette

    adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    Of course it is always the women who decides to have the abortion, that's not the issue, the issue is that after ~20 weeks she can't make that decison unilaterally. (Prior to this she can in fact go to a clinic and just get it done, like removing an unsightly mole)

    The issue is after this time she loses the unilateral right to implement that decision.

    After that time "she has to convince at least three medical professionals", which means that just like in the US, she can no longer unilaterally decide to terminate a pregnancy once it reachs the state known as "late term".

    The second point is that while some Australian States allow a few more weeks than others, some states in Australia are at the SAME 20 weeks that this new Georgia law sets it at. (See Wiki Abortion in Australia article I linked to)

    As I pointed out, all civilized countries at some point in time in the development of the fetus take away the unilateral right of the mother to kill it.

    Most of these take that away in the range of 20 to 24 weeks.

    What they require is after that period of development has passed for, at least one, but sometimes more than one, independent medical professionals to agree that there is a valid medical reason for terminating the pregnancy. Different States disagree on what are valid medical reasons. (Several states in the US do not specifically say it can be for mental health reasons, but they don't specifically exclude it for that reason either, so it would probably come down to what the MDs think is the actual risk, just like in Australia)

    As has been stated:

    The state imposes this Medical Review where "the sessions are quite intensive and these aren't just counsellors off the street, but psychiatrists and psychologists who treat mental illness. It involves a full psych evaluation, sometimes with more than one psychiatrist. "the counsellers have to be convinced that there is a genuine threat to the mothers mental well-being before they will authorize anything, "

    Pretty much like in the US.
     
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    adoucette, Apr 12, 2012
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  8. desi

    desi Valued Senior Member

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    When killing one person is another person's health care need, then that society is going down the tubes because its heart is morally compromised.
     
    desi, Sep 19, 2012
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    quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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