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  1. NietzscheHimself Banned Banned

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    What happens if we stir a mole of all or most of the 118 chemicals?

    Is it reasonable to assume that some reactions would be different in this medium.
     
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  3. arauca Banned Banned

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    The gaseous will escape
    Are you going to stir them as they are ? at what temperature ?
    there will form some alloys with mercury
    This is to open.
     
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  5. NietzscheHimself Banned Banned

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    Start off at low temperatures then raise it till the whole thing is liquid. That would keep too much from happening at once and allow us to record the actions.
     
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  7. NietzscheHimself Banned Banned

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    The problem with science today is that it is too individually comparative. We can relate all types of matter to each other, but nihil has ever tried to compare it all to our current outlook on "what it appears to be", thus we have no absolute idea about any of our most basic materials.

    The problem with science today is that it does not recognize what is incomplete or lacking in our knowledge. It is too encumbered by the observations of the past to recognize what lies in our future.

    Teachers preach the laws of physics as absolute when the best model we have is relative.

    I do not know all the answers, but I truly and full heartedly believe I know the only way to find all the answers.

    If you wish to stay ignorant, argue against me to no avail. If you don't ask yourself or your superiors the very same question I have asked here, enjoy your simple life as I do already.

    I will preach this enlightenment till my death as soo many great men have done already. Whispers resound through the ages already. I am certain another will reach the same conclusions in time.

    I just hope someone realizes what a fool they have been before my life expires. Ahh the only naive thing about me... "hope" that I must rely on society for itself to improve.
     
  8. Aqueous Id flat Earth skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    There is no way to bring all the elements into liquid state and stir them. They don't exist as liquids at any common temperature (and pressure). You would have to have them in gaseous form to bring them all together.

    Do you mean subjective? Can you give an example of what you mean?

    Most folks would say we have many absolute ideas about materials (one of them is the temperature at which they change from solid to liquid). What sort of ideas are you looking for?

    Pick any journal in science, and you will find a lot of people working on practical problems in areas related to world problems such as disease or growing drought resistant crops. Can you be more specific about what you mean?

    A lot of practical physics doesn't require any knowledge of relativity (if that's what you mean). But why do you regard teachers as preachers?
    By searching? By finding clues and analyzing them? Do you mean there is a superior method that scientists are not aware of or don't use?
    I would only engage you to find out what you mean. I might not agree with you, and if you say something I know to be false (for example all the elements can not possibly be stirred in liquid form) then I freely offer that fact to you for you to pursue, if you are so inclined. What could be better than for people to share ideas for their mutual edification?
    Who do you imagine my superiors might be? The IRS is one. Bills, anything to do with the maintenance costs, that places demands on me. Yes, we all seek simplicity in our lives (if that's what you mean).

    OK

    Why so glum?
     
  9. NietzscheHimself Banned Banned

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    You mean the state an element is in effects its reactivity? This is news to me.

    We compare one thing to another instead of one thing in relation to the whole.
    I'm looking for multiple people who share this outlook in order to make this possibility an actuality. Research or actions basically.

    This thing could expedite every area of science with the knowledge it brings.

    Do they not hold the same position in relation to the universe? Maybe I just hate this idea of specialization bred into a working society. I'll allow you to use any interpretation you wish.
    Seeing all the ideas we are uncertain of, it is certainly possible.
    To realize the place that has such a "close" statistical combination is a black hole. Aside from that no though at all would be great.
    ... Not quite. I want you to ask your friends in real life a stupid question you know they can't answer. What happens when... (all things happen to be at the same time and place.)

    God has cursed me with a gift I cannot be selfish with.
     
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    Below is a table of electronegativity. In simple terms this table reflects how tightly atoms hold electrons. The higher the number the stronger it wants electrons. The lower the number the weaker it holds them. Relative to the periodic table pile of atoms, the biggest number atoms will scavenge the electrons from the smallest number atoms first. The remaining atoms will then work to the center (min-max) until only intermediate number atoms interact with each other.

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  11. arauca Banned Banned

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    Listen I mean no offense.

    But to heat the mixture it will be important to know is it a close system or open , because gases will escape on even mercury will evaporise and as the temperature would rise other lower boiling metals will boil off, then there will be heavy elements separation ( wile liquid ) due to density , and separation of alloys due to density ete. ete.
     
  12. wlminex Banned Banned

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    Nietzshehimself: You are correct envisioning a Black Hole as the ideal 'mixer' of all elements (and other).
     
  13. NietzscheHimself Banned Banned

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    Well wisher says something intelligent, Arauca outlines the just of the problems, and wiminex confirms my suspicions. And above all I am at a loss for words.

    Someone is going to have a troublesome day...
     
  14. wlminex Banned Banned

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    . . . . hopefully . . . . not yourself . . . .
     
  15. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    That alone should be enough to tell you that you're wrong.

    A Black Hole won't mix your elements. Long before your infalling elements can mix, they will be rendered down to subatomic particles by tidal gravity.

    As Aqueous Id pointed out, the only way that you could conceivably mix all elements would be if they were all in their gaseous state. Otherwise, how would you suggest mixing neon, a gas, with solid iron?
     
  16. wellwisher Banned Banned

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    If you wanted to mix all the elements this is fairly easy. I would grind the solids to ultra fine powders. Then you mix the solids in a vacuum. Then you blend the combined powered with all the liquids and gases within a closed container so the gases can't escape.

    The reaction kinetics will follow the electronegativity chart.
     
  17. NietzscheHimself Banned Banned

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    ha. he hit a correct tangent quite eloquently which is more than I can say for you unfortunately.
    I wasn't aware black holes had any oceans... And you have it backwards, a mixture of all elements is a black hole. Not a black hole mixes elements.
    Neon doesn't mix "chemically" with anything no matter the state, but if you really want gases mixed in a closed system I have no argument there. Bring the heat.
     
  18. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    I'm sorry, I didn't realize that your knowledge of Black Holes was non-existent. You really don't know what tidal gravity effects are? Or what a Black Hole is?

    Perhaps you should confine your posts to religion and philosophy, and avoid posts about science.
     
  19. hypervalent_iodine Registered Member

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    "Easy" is not a word I would use. "Impossible" would have been much closer.

    A large of the later occurring elements exist so fleetingly that it would be impossible to isolate them in a reaction vessel. They are so unstable that they would radioactively decompose into other elements before you've even had a chance to realise what it was. In the case of astatine, for example, it is estimated that at any given moment, there exists only an ounce of it in the entire Earth. Reckon you're going to be able to get a mole of that into a reaction? I doubt it.

    Ignoring that and returning to the OP, the question of what would happen is rather simple - it would most likely explode or catch fire and you'll be left with a whole lot of fuming, radioactive sludge.
     
  20. NietzscheHimself Banned Banned

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    Speculative waffle. This "I know more about any other person" attitude is going to get you into trouble today.

    Ill take your snide remarks lowering religion and philosophy below physics as a compliment.

    If the object you think you know exists, then tell me the exact statistical combination of elements which have fallen in. Surely you don't have to understand the question to give an answer.
     
  21. wlminex Banned Banned

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    Off-Topic here . . . . .NietzscheHimself . . . . . that's AlexG's modus operandi!! it's a 'cover' for ???
     
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  22. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    Is this the basis for your answers?

    Here, read this, and then repeat your nonsensical question.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole
     
  23. NietzscheHimself Banned Banned

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    Incredibly dense radioactive fuming sludge... With a set amount of inherent gravity.
     
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