vitamins

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  1. skaught The field its covered in blood Valued Senior Member

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    Your welcome, and yeah I txt, but there's no was I'd give my number out here. Nothing personal mind you.
     
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  3. Stoniphi obscurely fossiliferous Valued Senior Member

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    As a general rule, the more educated membership here tries to use the English language "properly". This because words are the tools of the intellect and we often need to understand precisely what a person is saying without trying to guess their meaning. That is part of our focus on "science". I am in Detroit and can speak in a manner that - while understood very well on the streets here - would be totally incomprehensible to you - guaranteed - so I do not speak that way on this board. :bugeye:

    Also, the site's Terms Of Use (TOU) forbid name - calling and insult, so those are what we call a "flag" to the moderators here.

    Further, many of our members are from countries that speak a language that is different from English so the use of American slang and texting shorthand makes it very hard for them to understand what is being said.

    ...and lastly, we often get "spammed" by persons trying to sell us something without bothering to clear that with the site staff first, so we are on the lookout for such.

    As for the vitamin question - B complex are important for such body activities as maintaining the peristaltic muscular motion that moves food through your digestive tract, among many other things.

    A good overview can be found on Wikipedia here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B_complex_vitamins

    Some of that article says:

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    "The B vitamins may be necessary to:

    Support and increase the rate of metabolism[citation needed]
    Maintain healthy skin, hair and muscle tone[citation needed]
    Enhance immune and nervous system function[citation needed]
    Promote cell growth and division, including that of the red blood cells that help prevent anemia
    Reduce the risk of pancreatic cancer - one of the most lethal forms of cancer[1] - when consumed in food, but not when ingested in vitamin tablet form.[2][3]

    All B vitamins are water-soluble, and are dispersed throughout the body. Most of the B vitamins must be replenished regularly, since any excess is excreted in the urine.[4]

    B vitamins have also been hypothesized to improve the symptoms of attention deficit hyperactivity disorder.[5]"

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    There is much more. If you are suffering from any of the health problems detailed in that article then a B complex supplement may well help you to deal with that. I would suggest that you consult with a dietary professional (dietician) as well as a general practitioner (MD) before starting such a regimen though, as overdosing on B complex can have some serious repercussions.
     
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  5. scheherazade Northern Horse Whisperer Valued Senior Member

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    I have used the following product during a very stressful time of my life a few years ago and I would use it again if circumstances required. Here is the description and the link goes to one option for locating it. Here in Canada, I was able to pick it up at Real Canadian Superstore. I have not used this on-line supplier and am not advertising, just trying to give you an idea of what I found very effective and several of my friends also used it and spoke well of it. Everybody's body chemistry is different so you may need to do your own trials.

    http://well.ca/products/quest-mega-b-100-timed-release_10667.html

    There are probably other good suppliers out there but the description should help you to identify the scope of a complete Mega-B vitamin.

    A lot of physical pain can also be the result of what you are eating. Hubby and I did an elimination diet and kept a food log very strictly and found that wheat and dairy really contributed to our aches and pains, that we thought were just from overuse/overwork.

    Our dairy is greatly restricted from what we ate before and now it is a special treat and in moderation seems to be fine. I eat yogurt regularly (only a couple of Greek style varieties with no cornstarch, gelatine or artificial sweetener or color), butter, and use evaporated milk for my coffee, and a small amount of mozarella, old cheddar or Borsine cheese sparingly.

    Because people have been eating a food all their life, they don't think they can possibly be having a reaction to it.

    Why then, does every grocery store sell digestive aids such as Tums and Zantac?

    Food is not supposed to give you heartburn, bloat and gastritis if it is digesting well.

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  7. aaqucnaona This sentence is a lie Valued Senior Member

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  8. scheherazade Northern Horse Whisperer Valued Senior Member

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    Beg your pardon?

    Could you please explain to whom your remark is addressed and what aspect is 'not fair'?

    I can't seem to grasp the context of your statement. :shrug:
     
  9. scheherazade Northern Horse Whisperer Valued Senior Member

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    Good cautions on over-doing the B vitamins, Stoniphi.

    The problem often lies in finding a professional dietician who's not trying to flog you their own in-house brand of supplements.

    The doctors are great at surgery and general mending but in the experience of many of my friends, most of them would rather write you a prescription for a medication than engage in any serious preventative nutritional discussion.

    I have a young friend with early onset childhood diabetes and in treating her, the medical staff had never even explained glycemic index and glycemic load to her and her parents, instead using her as a guinea pig for artificial insulin when it first came out and which caused her a lot of grief.

    She was one of my riding students and we did some research together on diet for her condition and she noticed an immediate improvement in her blood sugars and overall health and that little bit of interest and help put her on the path to managing her condition far more successfully that the 'professionals'.

    My mother also has a rare condition and seems to know more about it than all of the 'specialists' she has seen over the years.

    Certification seems to be handed out pretty loosely in some fields and I would suggest to anyone that they do their own research as well and ask plenty of questions of whatever authority they choose to put their faith in.

    Be advised that the data and studies on a great many topics related to health can be confusing and contradictory much of the time.

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  10. elte Valued Senior Member

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    Scheherazade, I have been appreciating your thoughts on personal health care, especially nutrition, and began to wonder what kind of vitamin D intake you might have. I thought that is especially relevant during the time of short daylight, or is the ozone so thin there that enough UV gets through even when the sun is low on the horizon? regards
     
  11. C C Consular Corps - "the backbone of diplomacy" Valued Senior Member

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    IF you take B6, take it as part of a B-complex, as Scheherazade indicated. And with food -- either a few minutes before, after, or at least during. Vitamins truly are useless on an empty stomach.
     
  12. scheherazade Northern Horse Whisperer Valued Senior Member

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    That is an excellent point, C C, and taking vitamins on an empty stomach can actually make you feel nauseous.

    It's also a good idea to take them with your early meals because I found that taking the B complex with my late meal actual had me feeling awake and energized when I needed to be winding down to sleep.
     
  13. scheherazade Northern Horse Whisperer Valued Senior Member

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    Vitamin D can actually be stored in our fat and liver for considerable periods of time and we have an abundance of daylight hours here in the north for three seasons of the year. You might find it interesting that latitude plays less of a part than logic might draw one to surmise.

    http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/VitaminD-HealthProfessional/

    Even in the winter I am outdoors more than most people, caring for my horses. My work schedule (graveyard shift three nights a week, office work for two mornings) also allows me to get more exposure to daylight than average and I am outdoors during the warmest part of the day EVERY DAY to carry water to my horses and clean their yards, riding when the temperature is -10C or above, otherwise working with the horses doing liberty work in the round pen or on a long line.

    As for my diet, I eat a good variety of foods, including most of the ones shown at this link:

    http://www.healthaliciousness.com/articles/high-vitamin-D-foods.php

    I prefer to eat my fish with veggies rather than take it as an oil and I get close to 20% of the RDI just by adding evaporated milk to my hot beverages, there being 6% of the RDI in each tablespoon.

    I believe in eating whole foods, not just extractions of them because I don't think we truly appreciate the fact that nature does a better job than we can ever emulate when it comes to providing balanced nutrition.

    Our species would have died out long ago if vitamin D supplementation was required, IMO. I do not doubt, though, that many are now becoming deficient in vitamin D due to our changing lifestyles and diet.

    Many people do not get enough exposure to natural light, nor do they eat enough food in it's natural and minimally processed state. Add to that all of the pollutants we are exposed to, a sedentary lifestyle and stress which throws our body chemistry out of balance and I'm not surprised that many people are not experiencing optimum health.

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    Supplements can be helpful for certain periods and for certain conditions but it's my opinion that they cannot adequately substitute for a nutritional diet and a healthy active lifestyle over the long term.

    (For the record, I have no formal education in this field, though I do have several decades of experience in working with dogs and horses in endurance sports in northern climates.

    That, and I can work circles around folks who are MUCH younger than I am.

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    Wikipedia has a rather comprehensive piece on Vitamin D.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D
     
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  14. elte Valued Senior Member

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    It sounds rather funny, but my doctor got on me for being underweight. One reason why I have trouble with doctors is that they often can't understand the things we know about ourselves. He seemed miss that I had problems with high blood sugar before I began to eat better.

    So, I guess that I can't store as much vitamin D as the average person because I have almost no fat. It's a bit strange, but I wouldn't mind putting on some weight, it's just that it would require me to sacrifice the better physical feeling I get from eating less. My body resents me taking in more calories than it wants, and I can actually get sick as it overworks because of a lot of calories.

    I eat just whole foods, too. The most processed things that I eat are oatmeal and flaxseed meal. Everything else is either fruits or microwaved vegetables from the produce market. I do eat a little canned fish, otherwise meat is too hard to deal with. I might be interested in canned locusts or something similar.

    I still take half a Centrum pill daily as I think it is better to keep the supplement dose down. I also take a bit of vitamin D ocassionally if I feel I have not been getting enough sunshine. It's been a warm winter, so I haven't been taking a baby-sized aspirin every other day since I get natural salicilates from the collard greens (I guess, anyway) that I have been able to keep getting.
     
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  15. R1D2 many leagues under the sea. Valued Senior Member

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    Normally here in the U.S. The dr's get on to you for being over weight. Lots of really great information to look into. I may try the B complex. I am still trying to. Um see into the bee pollen angle. If its something good for the allergies instead of like claritin or chlortabs. Thanks
     
  16. elte Valued Senior Member

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    You're welcome. If you try out the bee pollen, let us know how it goes. My allergies used to be worse; maybe stress reduction, reduced exposure to allergens, and better food helped me.
     
  17. scheherazade Northern Horse Whisperer Valued Senior Member

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    Interesting. I used to think that I had allergies to smoke, gyproc dust etc. and I took B complex and Vitamin C which certainly helped when I would go to the pub, which used to allow smoking. (I enjoyed live music and dancing.

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    Taught many a shy boy how to do the two-step so they overcame their inhibitions about asking a girl to dance.)

    When I changed my diet by limiting dairy and hugely reducing wheat products, the sniffles have gone away. Also any feeling of bloat or flatulence which are of far more distress to we females than fellows, who seem to make a sport of the associated sounds and odors.

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    I read a lot on food combining also, which seems to make a lot of sense at the level of basic chemistry and works wonders for me.

    -fruits alone or with yogurt, on an empty stomach.

    -careful in balancing proteins and carbohydrates. Meals should be 90/10% either predominantly protein or predominantly carbohydrates for best digestion.

    -Fats are treated as neutral in the above ratios.

    I'm of the opinion that the conglomeration of ingredients and preservatives used in most processed food may satisfy our taste buds and sense of hunger (at least temporarily) but confounds our digestive system which has not evolved the means to digest all of these newly contrived products and so stores them in our fat tissue for future resolution.

    Problem seems to be, we keep overloading our system and we are throwing new stuff at our bodies far faster than they can evolve.

    We are living in an era of very 'technical food like products' yet we still have a 'caveman digestive system'. :shrug:
     
  18. scheherazade Northern Horse Whisperer Valued Senior Member

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    Underweight is as troubling as overweight, in many ways.

    The skeleton requires the support of a healthy muscle mass. This muscle mass also protects the bones from injury in the event of blunt trauma or a fall. Having some fat and muscle reserves are also useful in the event one contracts an illness or virus of any significant duration.

    Having less body fat to store the Vitamin D could be a contributing factor.

    It sounds like you pay a considerable amount of attention to diet.

    Have you considered nuts as a calorie dense food source? I am particularly fond of walnuts and sliced almonds, usually added to my fruit and yogurt combo.

    For some people with dentures, I know nuts can be a problem but one can grind them into nut flour or nut butter at home or even soak them in a bit of warm water to soften them for chewing.
     
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  19. R1D2 many leagues under the sea. Valued Senior Member

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    OR try peanut butter or try the real coconuts the young one that is milky.. I hear there great in proteins & electrolytes. An lots of other stuff. An the older coconuts have a different quantity I think of some proteins an vitamins some one else may be able to add to this.
     
  20. elte Valued Senior Member

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    Indeed, it's basically that I haven't any fat. I never had much even when I was young and ate as much as I could.

    I agree with the idea of eating the fruits separately, the starch things separately, and the protein stuff seperately. Overall, the key is to try not to overdo any one thing.

    I was happy to be able to get some almonds lately. regards
     
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    I'm contemplating the possibility that grains aren't a food humans are adapted to. They might tend to have toxic effects in some ways, even. I would think nuts shouldn't have that problem so much even though they are also seeds, so I'm glad that those almonds were available. I have noticed that nuts can still be kinda hard to digest, though, especially peanuts. Walnuts seem like they can be pretty good, though due to containing good fats.
     
  22. scheherazade Northern Horse Whisperer Valued Senior Member

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    In regard to grains, there remains considerable controversy. Wild grasses and grains, in moderation, would have been part of a primitive diet and useful because they would store well for winter use. Cultivating grains and making them a dietary staple has impinged a rapid transition upon our digestive systems, IMO, and I question whether our biology has ever adapted to it.

    Nuts have played a significant role in the diet of our ancestors. You might find the article at this link of interest, as it is has some interesting history about edible nuts of many varieties.

    http://www.nutcrackermuseum.com/history_nuts.htm

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  23. Stoniphi obscurely fossiliferous Valued Senior Member

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    I must suggest that our long history of being "hunter - gatherers" has provided us with sufficient resources to digest grains. (evolution) Yes, there are some very few of us that are allergic to one grain or another, but then some of us are 'allergic' to our own bodies too. (autoimmune disorders) I suggest a bit of research into human dietary evolution and the history of what we have been eating for the last 4.5 million years would bring a better understanding of that. We evolve very rapidly and grains have been a large part of our diet since the beginning. Our wisdom teeth were there specifically for grinding up raw whole grains, they are going away now via evolution in response to how we have changed our grain preparation in the last 12,000 years.

    Contemporary refined and synthesized product based on grains are indeed a new thing and may not be so good for you.

    Don't forget that we used to chow down heavy on fat whenever we could get it, eat our meat raw and sometimes rotting. Just because we did that way back then does not mean it is a good idea to do that now.

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    Allergies are not all identical. I have pretty bad allergies, but they are much less of a problem now that I have several HEPA filters running in my home, switched to a hot water baseboard heating system and routinely use miticide on bedding and carpets. Why? Because my primary allergy is to dust mite proteins, like many other people. I also do daily saline irrigations to physically remove allergens from my sinuses.

    Smoke of any kind bothers my sinuses and lungs. I know what is in it and why it irritates me, don't have to be allergic to it to suffer the consequences of breathing that crap, and no dietary change can address that.

    As for diet - try a sensible balanced diet as a starting point. If you think that you are allergic to particular foodstuff, have an allergist MD check that out for you.

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    While 'shotgun' strategies will indeed carry that 15% placebo effect by way of success they are an inefficient way of identifying and dealing with a specific allergy problem.
     

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