views on evolution

Ok Ill assume you're having a bad day :shrug:

 

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maybe.
i am in no position to stipulate, especially in regards to morality, what is stupid for the future generations of humanity on this planet.

 

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play the idiot james, you seem to be good at it.

if administrators are indeed capable of racking up infraction points then i demand james get one for misrepresentation because he knows full well i have been forbidden to post what i know.

 

I'm a latecomer to this forum, but I notice the denialists here are reluctant to take on Darwin's theory as it is actually stated. Just out of curiosity I posted the eight-point summary (abstracted a century later by another scientist):

1. Every species is fertile enough that if all offspring survived to reproduce the population would grow (fact).
2. Despite periodic fluctuations, populations remain roughly the same size (fact).
3. Resources such as food are limited and are relatively stable over time (fact).
4. A struggle for survival ensues (inference).
5. Individuals in a population vary significantly from one another (fact).
6. Much of this variation is inheritable (fact).
7. Individuals less suited to the environment are less likely to survive and less likely to reproduce; individuals more suited to the environment are more likely to survive and more likely to reproduce and leave their inheritable traits to future generations, which produces the process of natural selection (inference).
8. This slowly effected process results in populations changing to adapt to their environments, and ultimately, these variations accumulate over time to form new species (inference).

I don't have a question for you, merely an observation, that if they weren't just trolling it seems they would at least step up to the plate and address the actual language of these 8 elements.

After all, that's what it all boils down to (excluding the neo-Darwinian updates to the list).

 

So appropriate, that word. Rarely heard in the US.

I read your links about the common fallacies they use, those were good in summarizing every kind of error I've noticed.

I also read somewhere, I forgot where, that technical studies, because of the demands of the rule-oriented curriculum, has an appeal to the type A crowd, and they end up in jobs that would surprise an outsider, insofar as high objectivity is required. It's truly a social phenomenon. I like to engage those folks here, because I see them speaking well in a technical thread, then falling apart in a thread like this. It's curious.

That being said, I appreciate your remarks which are more direct and nail the issue just as I see it.

 

For example, I just asked leopold to admit or deny the first tenet of Darwin's theory, which is pretty neutral, not requiring any value judgment into the realm of theology:

Every species is fertile enough that if all offspring survived to reproduce the population would grow.​

The answer I got was that there was a restriction against it.

I think it's a cop-out. Why not go for it, just give a reasoned answer?

 

That is a big if in that tenet.

 

there's no excuse for you james.

your attention span cannot possibly be that short.
then again, it probably is.

accusing someone of lying when you KNOW full well they aren't is a misrepresentation james.

baseless? huh?
first you tell me i can't post the information i have under threat of ban, then you tell me i'm lying when i say i can't post what i know, then you say my accusations are baseless.

you're a genius james!

you rub my nose in it and you don't expect me to reciprocate?

i never said i did.

stop accusing me of lying.
YOU YOURSELF has forbidden me.

good show for the masses james.

 

Do it leopold.

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I to await your information that to this point you have not been able to post. New data is always welcomed by science, the more data the better our understanding.

Let er rip!

 

1. Every species is fertile enough that if all offspring survived to reproduce the population would grow.​

Those of course aren't Darwin's actual words, just a summary. Here's just one of the many related statements in the Origin of Species

A plant which annually produces a thousand seeds, of which on an average only one comes to maturity, may be more truly said to struggle with the plants of the same and other kinds which already clothe the ground.​

Remarkable for a man who had little more than a brass sextant and plumb bob to guide him in his search for understanding.

 

That is more like it, 1 out of 1,000 survive, the odds are sometimes millions to one.