Why is it taboo to discuss the responsibility of victims?

Actually under the new laws if your too intoxicated you cant give consent (I do find it amusing that this law technically applies to everyone so even if your regular partner is drunk and frisky its rape but *meh*), the odd thing is that they haven't taken this to its logical conclusion, i.e. if you cant consent because your intoxicated how can you have criminal intent in other circumstances (including technically rape, i.e. if your both equally intoxicated it could be a case of first to the cops DOESN'T go to jail)

 

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It was pretty inappropriate....

I laughed though.

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I have a warped sense of humor.

@Oleander...if you get drunk and pass out, and then get raped, it isn't your fault.It was still the rapist's decision to rape, not yours.
You probably would have been wise not to have done that, but did you make the decision to receive an assault? NO. Are you responsible for what someone else chose to do to you when you were helpless? again, no.

Starting to feel like a scratched LP...how many ways do I have to say it?

 

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how often do men get drunk or pass out from drunkenness? i guess women find it too disgusting to want to molest them.

 

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I don't recall anyone so saying, but I shall remove the offending image of course. I was hoping, since I hadn't seen any action in a day or two, people might abandon the thread; admittedly this was a pretty far hope but the bloody thing sticks out like a weeping sore.

See, the problem really is that the thread exists. It's well to talk about an issue, so as to inform our understanding thereof, but... this? Really? It's a foregone conclusion: no, it is not the fault of the victim. I mean, I can hardly express my dismay at it. Surely there's no point discussing it any further. If you get it, you get it, and if you don't... well. Frankly, I recommend closure and a stiff warning in red for something. It's passed the point of absurdity.

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Ah, bullshit. No one is literally too drunk to say no unless they unconscious.
People in general just become more easy-going and take higher risks when they are using alcohol. That doesn't mean they cannot say no, it just means that their behavior is influenced to the point that they might agree to something they would otherwise not agree to.
If I cross the road without looking I might get hit by a car. People have responsibilities of their own.
If you don't want to agree to something you might later regret, don't get 'too drunk to say no'.

And, by the way, how is the so-called 'offender' supposed to know if someone is 'too drunk to say no'?
If the picture is to be taken seriously, partners (for example) are continuously raping each other.

IMO, in order to accuse someone of rape you first have to prove malicious intent.

 

Because she's not in a rational position to agree.

 

How does one establish that, especially if the so-called rapist has used alcohol himself?
Does that mean that all people that ever had sex with alcohol in their blood were raped?

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What percentage of the population would that be...

If a guy drinks a six-pack and then has sex with a girl that is sober, has the guy then been raped?

If both have consumed alcohol and then have sex, did they then rape each other?

I'm sorry, but I find this reasoning absurd. Insane even.

 

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All right. Against my will, I will offer an opinion. At the minimum, a man who is not inebriated having sex with a woman who is inebriated is taking advantage. This could be called rape.

 

And the other way around?
It's only taking advantage if the guy knows the womans faculties have been incapacitated.

 

umm, you want to be more specific with that? A fair percentage of sex would be under the influence to a degree and its definitely not "taking advantage". For instance what about someone's wedding night? if one partner doesn't drink all of a sudden they are taking advantage? My birthday PB took me to the wine region, she didnt drink because she drove, we had sex, did she take advantage of me? Another example, one day I came home from work and PB was all "Dressed up", as soon as I walked in she ripped off my pants and ... She had been drinking but she was DEFINITELY the initiating partner, do you really think I was taking advantage?

 

So whenever I have to sign a contract I better be sure to have some alcohol in my blood so I can have it nullified later on if it suits me.
Adults have responsibilities. I'd say that one of them is to make sure you don't drink yourself into a stupor.
Should I carry a device that can establish what the others blood-acohol content is before proceeding to have sex? And what is the threshold after which you can say that she can't say no anymore?
If someone that is drunk has sex with someone that is not drunk, it has to be established that the person that was not drunk proceeded with malicious intent before you can accuse him/her of rape.
And what if both drank alcohol? Did they then rape each other?

Huh? I'm not sure what you are suggesting here.
Are you suggesting that someone that is too drunk to say no is not too drunk to asses whether or not someone is too drunk to say no?
If so.. Absurd!

So you give consent every time you and your husband have sex? If you don't, he raped you.
You two never ever had sex while having drunk alcohol? If you did, he raped you.

 

Oh my god, man! You've been raped!!

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I wonder would the same count if someone was grieving and you provided a little more than a shoulder to cry on?
Wonder how far people can stretch this reasoning. :shrug:

 

Perhaps a questionnaire should be developed with which you can establish a persons mental state before having sex..
I guess we all have to become psychologists just to have sex.


Although, I guess it would be a good thing after all as it would certainly cause a significant decrease of the global population.

 

That does seem to be the case these days. But you can't say that, you rapist defending misogynist.

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It's even stranger hearing such reasoning in Britain where most couples get together on a drunken night out! Must be odd to have so many married rapists. I've had quite a number of girls say they wouldn't have the confidence to even kiss a guy unless they'd consumed alcohol, in quite some volume. And they think *I'm* weird for not wanting to have sex with them in that state. :bugeye:

 

All right: if she were too inebriated to offer rational consent, then it would be rape. How's that?