I doubt the Americans are deeply worried about Iran knowing about their capabilities. I do think that they will have a problem with the Chinese getting a free ride on their technology especially with the Americans being replaced by them in Pakistan and having no near military base except in Diego Garcia. Hmm why isn't there an American military base in Israel? About time, don't you think? If they can sniff out nuclear programs underground that will give the Chinese a lot of useful info about US bases don't you think? U.S. bombing of the Chinese embassy in Belgrade
I mean, put it this way: if Pakistan had known that America wasn't buying their duplicity and had the capability to sneak into their country and snatch Bin Laden, their intelligence services would have made sure to hide him a far more secure location. So it's always best to keep certain capabilities in the shadows until they're actually needed.
Well if there is anything the Chinese are good at, its copying and mass production and distribution. And with a bonafide 100% US made latest cutting edge stealth drone, you can bet they will make maximum use of the plausible deniability that provides them Now all they have to do is wait on the EU to approve oil sanctions on Iran's central bank and it will be Christmas for them for the next 30 years. But it remains to be seen if the EU is that suicidal as well
They can reproduce the shape, but not the materials or software, probably not the electronics if they have been destroyed.
cameras/chemical sniffers/cell taps hardly extraordinary shit. whats the science behind all that and what edge does the military have over commercial applications?
I haven't been keeping up with my readings on espionage technology, but I would assume, since this was a stealth drone that it has to do with a combination of expertise in satellite technology [currently, only nine countries have demonstrated the capability to develop and launch their own satellites into orbit] and anti-satellite capability [currently dominated by 4 countries] This is essentially manna from heaven for the Chinese, who are developing their satellite and weapons systems to counter US naval dominance Chinese Navy Mission Reveals Secret Drone
Everything credible I've read indicates that this drone does not contain the latest cutting-edge technology. Exactly for the reason that you expect such things to fall into enemy hands sooner or later, if you keep sending them on missions over enemy countries for years on end. So I'd be very surprized if it contains anything that the USA was terribly worried about revealing, or even anything that it did not expect to eventually reveal one way or the other. This particular drone has apparently been flying missions for years already, which indicates that it cannot be the cutting-edge stuff - that stuff, by definition, hasn't been deployed yet. Which isn't to say that adversaries won't be able to learn some useful stuff from it. But I don't expect it will be anything of strategic importance - such stuff would never have been put on such a drone, exactly because the risk of its loss greatly exceeds any conceivable benefits of the mission.
Regardless of whether it's the latest cutting-edge model in the US arsenal or not, I'm curious how much Iran could make in cash or concessions from selling that drone in a bidding war between the Russians and the Chinese. I'm pretty convinced the biggest value of all is just to have a peek at some of America's capabilities in order to gauge what intelligence America might possibly know or be able to gather on its enemies, and to plan countermeasures accordingly.
Time to mobolize. Iran is devolping nukes, 10 years from now is not the proper time to invade them, now is. A full scale invasion of Iran can startm and probably will start WW3, but I'd much rather fight enemies with out nukes. Time to nip Iran in the butt. Before we pull out of Afghanistan. We have to invade Iran from the East, and use our new independent allie Iraq to corner them. We then move the Navy in after we secure Persian Gulf. Of course Pakistan will side with Iran, so we use our allies Israel, and Greece to attack them. Then Turkey jumps in and aligns with Iran, who brings in North Korea who attacks South Korea. All the while China is playing imperalism. Russia will help seccure the Middle East when all hell breaks loose, at this point is suggest a split occupation of the entire middle east with the help of the Iraqis, Israelites, and Egyptians split between the U.S, and our should be greatst allie Russia.
Bingo, but SAM NEEDS to bring up Saudi Arabia (or whatever her distraction du jour is) as if its relevant. As if YOU support the regime in Saudi Arabia! ~String
I think I remember that videogame. I tried the same series of moves, but I ended up losing and having to restart from scratch because I didn't save.
Perhaps, but I doubt that the US expected the Iranians to get one nearly intact - the drone was landed off Kashamar, where the Americans "lost control" of it. Thats very much inside Iran and this is the very first time they have lost an intact drone. If nothing else, the Americans will be wary of sending in any more drones into Iran, especially if Iranians have figured out how to hijack and bypass the self destruct mechanism. Or they can break down the encryption programs then who knows what the possibilities could be in using the drones against the people who launch them? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Like what, for example? No, I wanted to point out that if warrring against oppressive regimes is the point, then why are the two most oppressive regimes in the ME US allies? Where are the sanctions against them? Here are some:
The captured Israeli drone footage was from something like 10 years ago when their transmissions were broadcast, unencrypted, via standard CCTV transmissions. Same with earlier drones employed in Iraq. To receive the transmissions you just needed to tune a regular TV antenna to the proper frequency. Things have changed a lot since then, obviously, so I don't know to what degree they'll manage to reverse-engineer or hack into this newer one. I don't think they've even fully figured out the Stuxnet virus yet, and this is despite loads of high-paid assistance from computer security experts around the globe with full access to the machine code.
You can pretty much guarantee that, if it really was hacked, it was Russians who did the hacking. Over the years I've read lot of reports about Russians doing similar sorts of things for brief periods of time to drones flying in Iraq. American generals have been on the news stating it's not completely unusual to have the Russians briefly jamming communication with drones etc... as they probe the USA for weakness. TTYTT it's probably good for the USA. So, Russia has it's hands on new goodies... thank the Gods their our allies Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! What I find amazing is just how freaken quickly Chinese and Russians are able to move into these new technological spaces. Iran OTOH - come on. Between religious fits they like to spend their time whining about Joos or Kerrrds Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! and then get back to lovin Allah while the religious establishment robs them blind. Which is to bad too as I think if they were nominally religious, they'd probably've built a decent society over there.
Michael, I humbly suggest you consider (as I am) touring Iran- with a mind to deter war. I expect you (as would I be) pleasantly surprised to learn that Persian tech is in many aspects (sophistication, accessibility, etc.) on a par with what is available to the 99%ers of the USA, and likewise Iranian popular struggles with special-interest groups that are overtly and unconstitutionally1 dominating politics and religion. From a distance, it seems possible that popular movements in terms of political accountability and reform are more promising in Iran than in the USA presently. It is clearly evident that accountability and reform have much greater likelihood and promise within the USA and Iran in the absence of war. Hard-liners, covert interests, and tyrants always thrive by fear-mongering we can expose. Iran's political, consumer, working and tech/engineering cultures are on par with the Great Satan, especially in urban comparisons. Religious and nationalistic sensibilities (especially among charismatics) and diversity of ethnicities and cultiural perspectives similar in many ways, comparing Iran with the USA. Theocracy has obviously made deeper inroads in Iran, but this is not for lack of trying by many seeking highest office and enjoying many financial and ideological supporters in the USA. I would very much like to travel to Iran over the coming year, and hope that many of my compatriots will also consider it. I ruefully wish that instead of merely protesting in Washington, I had also gone to Iraq in 2003, during the deceitful and criminal U.S. and Israeli buildup to our humanly and economically-disastrous war there. It's possible that we may again be part of war crimes in the USA, if the Israeli/US escalation of tensions is allowed by the people to continue unopposed. Without traveling at all, we can discover and discuss right here the most glaring gap between Iran and the USA (national behaviors of foreign aggression). I hope that Iran manages to launch peaceful officially-uninvited surveillance missions over the USA soon. The risks of escalation would be smaller than the risks presented lately in much rhetoric within Republican presidential campaigns, and in closely-related Israeli talking-points. The rewards of waking up more USis to the basic human law of reciprocity (along with critical thinking, ethics, etc.) would be considerable. ___________________________________________________ 1. Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Iran Constitution of the USA 2. Press TV: Iran to take US aggression to intl. bodies 3. Fox Nuss: Dissent Lives in Iranian CyberSpace, Despite Regime's Attempt to Crackdown balatarinCaution:Radicals 4. Iran Tours Iran Cultural Tour Package 5. Newsweek: Return of the Neocons 6. ThinkProgress: Gingrich Calls For ‘Joint Operations’ With Israel To Attack Iran’s Nuclear Program 7. CRG: Is War with Iran Inevitable?
Again, I think you, S.A.M. and co. are way overestimating the ease involved in reverse-engineering a vastly more advanced piece of equipment than anything domestically produced. You can know what all the components are and what they do, yet still not have the slightest clue how they're to be manufactured in the first place. In any case, Iran is putting out footage of the alleged drone capture that in fact comes from American military industrial footage of older models in flight tests from many years ago, so don't get too excited just yet. And as for the hacking conspiracy claims, no one knows yet what exactly happened, but drones often crash with minimal damage even after control is lost. They're not 747 jumbo jets flying at near supersonic speed.
