Why is it taboo to discuss the responsibility of victims?

Editing, I see...
Second question - Yes, I would imagine so. I just happened to watch a rerun of an old Bruce Willis "Die Hard" movie in which the main character (a white cop) was forced to walk naked down a New York street in a predominantly black neighborhood carrying placards proclaiming "I hate niggers".

Technically, this would be protected by the First Amendment here in the US, but I can assure you he wasn't happy with the assignment. Furthermore, he was about to encounter some serious problems with the neighborhood residents until fate intervened. Ever seen the movie?


Question 3 - "When little boys get raped are they considered as complicit if they left off their shirts?"

Nice try. I'm not falling for the troll, though.

 

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Oh is that where Americans are found?

So if women are warned off dark alleys and most rapes occur in places where they live or work, what does it mean?

 

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SAM that last bit is interesting, I would have thought the majority of rapes were by a partner as part of domestic violence which would suggest that it wasn't planned

 

FFS...

Let's just let that comment stand without challenge.

What it means SAM is that maybe, possibly, risk management might apply to a minority of rapes. All rapes minus some rapes equals less rapes. 4-1=3.

Right?

:wallbang:

 

It would appear that most rapes are either partially or fully planned

 

umm is that just those proven or those alleged where the police BELIEVE that a rape has occurred whether they can prove the case or not?

Ie spousal rape and date rape both of which I believe have tiny conviction rate

 

I found a different link that talks about the amir study:
http://www.yale.edu/ynhti/curriculum/units/1981/3/81.03.06.x.html#c

Edited to add...Asguard has a good point-the sample pool is skewed.
Since the study was done from 1958-1960... I'm guessing it almost exclusively contained perpetrators of "stranger rape."
Why? back then I seriously doubt a date rapist would be convicted; and in many states at the time, a husband could not legally rape his wife. She was supposed to have given consent when she married him and to not be able to withdraw it.

 

Just to get the context of that study SAM cited...

From the same abstract:

Any insight on exactly how the legal system intervened? Did it work? (I don't have access to the whole paper)



On point though, again from the same abstract:

SAM, please don't conflate "bad girls" and reputation with risk management. They are entirely different - risk assesment and mitigation has nothing to do with ethereal concepts of "good" or "bad".

 

Bells, just 1 point. Why is it a CRIME for a women to walk around bare chested but not a man?

 

Obviously because you weren't paying attention.

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Yes. And there are sexual predators out there. That's just how it is.

However, that's not what you have been arguing. You have been arguing that rape victims are partly responsible for the rape, since they could have done something differently to avoid it. The parallel argument is that the people on the planet that is struck by the asteroid are partly responsible for the impact. After all, they could have moved their planet.

 

I absolutely agree.

No, they don't. That's the point.

Expect whatever you like. Reality is.

ORLY? Please cite or retract this Bells. Read carefully. Unless you're referring to the comment "Don't walk down SoHo beach naked at night". Did that turn into "say[ing] hat you shouldn't wear things that could attract attention to yourself, restrict your movement somewhat, just in case"? Wow.

Do you routinely parade about in the nude, at night, in the middle of a very big, very dangerous city such as Miami? If so, feel free to continue. In fact carry some signs about saying "I hate spics" just for good measure - it's within your constitutional rights if you happen to be in the US, as you are aware of. Let me know how that works out...

Another point we're in complete agreement upon.

Ditto.

Jeez, Bells. I am really sorry that you believe that I am so stupid that I don't understand your point. Do you really not understand mine?

/saddened

Don't start this shit Bells. I'm not playing that game again - I learned my lesson the first time.

It doesn't. Where did I assert that I did? In fact, I specifically excluded gender and sexual orientation from my comments on more than one occasion. Can you not read? So again, cite or retract.

I believe I mentioned during my last "drunken" encounter with you that I am aware that males get raped. So what?

Oh, I see. Cite or retract.

Au contraire. I can explain it, I have explained it, others have explained it, you don't get it. I accept this state of affairs. Let's get on with things.

Just so you know Bell's, I read these as I respond. This one is getting boring. I opened your post with much hope that things would be different tonight on a personal level with you. Not the case. You're redundant and you fail at comprehension. I'm sorry.

Again, cite where I stated this applies to any one gender. In fact, the opposite is true. I try to generalize the whole mess into risk management, along with other violent and unpredictable events. Apparently, you are simply unable to grasp the fundamental concepts involved. Maybe you could try Fraggle? He seems more willing to explain elementary project and risk management methodology than I...

Agreed.

Bells, why do you insist on sticking with this gender specific, or even felony specific wording? This is why I accuse you of trolling...

Thank you.

It's a handy example. Would you prefer a different hypothetical? I hardly think it would matter to you.

Thanks again.
Also, thanks for the {INDENT} tag usage. Wasn't aware of that one, I always used {quote}.

Let's.

Not in my world.

Nor should we have one hundred percent faith that the sun will come up tomorrow. I'm going with the odds that it will though, which coupled with the fact that there is absolutely nothing I could do to mitigate the risk in this case, I would just have to accept it if we have no star on the morrow.

No, but they should be told that rape is not confined to strangers, at an appropriate age. You decide what age is appropriate for your family, or for yourself, or whatever.

Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?

You just said what I am trying to point out. What do you call that? Would a self defense class perhaps mitigate risk here? What else could possibly be the point? Physical fitness? Why do you agree with only this one simple precaution?

Please believe that I am not trying to tell you what to do or not to do. I am just curious why you affirm this one, lonely, particular cautionary measure and not others?

Apparently not.

Yes. This is called "situational awareness" Bells. Please feel free to use big words - I can handle it.

Bingo.

Depends on who's advising you, but that's not my point. My point is that you have a strategy with boundaries set by you, your family and the state to minimize risk. Any problems with that?

Please define "true" risk management. It is a "scientific discipline" able to be applied to any risk - from the chances of losing or winning a card game to assessing the odds of a devastating meteor impact. I am sorry you are not familiar with the discipline. Take a class...

Wrong.

/very, very patiently...

You can manage the risk.

Thanks for some more facts that I am already oh so painfully aware of. But thanks again, anyways.

Are you asking for my personal strategy? Are you sure?

I mean, what if it includes not walking down a dangerous street in a war zone in broad fucking daylight? Regardless of gender, age, race, religious affiliation or sexual orientation? Would you accept it then?




Bells, I know you're not going to concede. However, I'm not breaking any forum rules here (that I am aware of). I don't misquote you - you misquote me. Let's just try to live with each other's POV's, hmmm? OTH, my bet is you will not even return the courtesy of a point by point reply to my comments.

We will see....

 

Just a societal holdover from stricter times. Women's breasts actually work, and our mores are to hide working reproductive equipment - partly for old "public decency" reasons and partly for sanitation. I have a feeling this will eventually go the way of requirements for skirts, dresses, hats etc.

 

Hey, your moobie link is no good.
Um, not asking you to correct that.