Calling all keyboard protestors, ranter and ravers

Thats just splitting hairs, Mubarak was around for 27 years, it was the extremity of economic burden which caused the people to revolt not a desire for democratic representation. The sign says it all: One Goal - Social Justice for All

 

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true but distinctions can be discerned
it gets a bit circular tho

 

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look again at your posts and pov please.
here, lets just cut to the chase

given that hypothetical....

..do you see that being met? what do you recommend?

 

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are you maintaining that the hypothetical is theoretically impossible?
is that what you mean by bogus?

quote the relevant parts

 

thank you, herr trippy

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i think i know what you are getting at......

A Speakers' Corner is an area where open-air public speaking, debate and discussion are allowed. The original and most noted is in the north-east corner of Hyde Park in London, United Kingdom. Speakers there may speak on any subject, as long as the police consider their speeches lawful, although this right is not restricted to Speakers' Corner only. Contrary to popular belief, there is no immunity from the law, nor are any subjects proscribed, but in practice the police tend to be tolerant and therefore intervene only when they receive a complaint or if they hear profanity.​

...ja, that how you protest against systems and govts

/cackle

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seriously? there can never come a time when our freedom to do shit is severely curtailed by some despotic govt? how do you know this?

 

Soap Boxing was rejuvenated in the early 1900s . Reclaiming public rights to out cries of distress. It became a world wide event . The northwest United States is attributed to the revitalization ( Seattle ) That is not were it stated . It started right here in Missoula by a 19 year old Russian Girl down town on a wooden box. I forget her name. It became a world wide event .

I am going to see if I can find her on the internet . She is recorded in the history of Missoula

O.K. then Edit after me little trip across time and space in a heart beat . God the internet is mind blowing .
"Elisabeth Gurley Flynn " a ginger no less . Described as a striking 19 year old red head when she got to Missoula .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_speech_fights

 

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trippy sputters: the bylaws! the ordinances. public nuisance! urination! stalled traffic! the...the..the overnight goddamn camping!

 

yeah
go back and read. it is right there in black and white
you are unwilling to make any accommodation due to a fanatical dedication to the letter of the law. you recommend they protest out of their houses (private spaces)

see here

all parks have curfews in the united states. all i did was expand the hours for the purpose of the hypothetical. it is not inconceivable that it could happen yet you blather about flawed premises.

if some despot comes into power and rules that parks will be open for 2hrs a day, you will assert that any protest against the govt in those spaces have only that narrow window of opportunity. if they do not like it, they can find a private space. that is what you maintain

that is just silly.
i rail against a generosity of spirit towards ones own citizens. deploy the police to safeguard the protesters. give them porta potties. be an enabler of democracy rather than some legalistic pig invoking the law

you know what? deploy fema!

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good one eh?

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methinks you must be the most misunderstood creature in the whole of sci
however rather than blame my extrapolation of your sentiments, i rather you focus on your delivery

plazas, in most if not all cases, are different from parks. it is a...hmm... trafficway. it has to remain open

and yes venture out to central park during curfew and you will either get ticketed or escorted out or both depending on the disposition of the law enforcer

 

the old name was liberty plaza park and it seems more like a plaza than park

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where?

 

NYPD Saboteurs​

“What we’re trying to build here,” said Jeff Smith, a member of the Occupy Wall Street press working group, “is a model for the bigger society we’d like to see.”

And there’s the rub: The “model” civilization that’s sprung up at Zuccotti is itself increasingly divided between the stakeholders in the nascent movement who feel invested in the emerging economic, social and cultural causes of “the 99%,” and hangers-on, including a fast-growing contingent of lawbreakers and lowlifes, many of whom seem to have come to Zuccotti in the last week with the cynical encouragement of the NYPD.

The watch, though, has only powers of persuasion and pressure to try and enforce the rules, and no way to remove people from a public park. The police, whom many occupiers see as the enemy and who work under a mayor who’s made no secret of his distaste for the occupiers, have little reason to help them maintain order, and rarely seem to have entered the park over the last week for anything short of an assault. When officers have gone in, a wave of people carrying drugs (or with other reasons to fear arrest) moves away from them while others circle tightly around, cameras out. Even when organizers have requested their intervention, police enter to a mixed chorus of “brutality” and “pig” calls side by side with chanted reminders that “you are the 99%.”

But while officers may be in a no-win situation, at the mercy of orders carried on shifting political winds and locked into conflict with a so-far almost entirely non-violent protest movement eager to frame the force as a symbol of the oppressive system they’re fighting, the NYPD seems to have crossed a line in recent days, as the park has taken on a darker tone with unsteady and unstable types suddenly seeming to emerge from the woodwork. Two different drunks I spoke with last week told me they’d been encouraged to “take it to Zuccotti” by officers who’d found them drinking in other parks, and members of the community affairs working group related several similar stories they’d heard while talking with intoxicated or aggressive new arrivals.

The NYPD’s press office declined to comment on the record about any such policy, but it seems like a logical tactic from a Bloomberg administration that has done its best to make things difficult for the occupation — a way of using its openness against it.

“He’s got a right to express himself, you’ve got a right to express yourself,” I heard three cops repeat in recent days, using nearly identical language, when asked to intervene with troublemakers inside the park, including a clearly disturbed man screaming and singing wildly at 3 a.m. for the second straight night.

“The first time I’ve heard cops mention our First Amendment rights,” cracked one occupier after hearing a lieutenant read off of that apparent script.

“A lot of you people smell,” a waggish cop shot back later after an occupier asked if he might be able to help find more appropriate accommodations for a particularly pungent and out-of-sorts homeless man.

“The police are saying ‘it’s a free for all at Zuccotti so you can go there,’” said Daniel Zetah, a member of several working groups including community affairs. “Which makes our job harder and harder because the ratio is worse and worse.”

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/...st-sides-plaza-article-1.969320#ixzz1cTHxJoGP​