Who created Atheists?

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by Mind Over Matter, Mar 28, 2011.

  1. Shogun Bleed White and Blue! Valued Senior Member

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    Or that we are not capable of comprehending such things. It is perhaps beyond our capabilities.
     
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  3. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    And yet some people claim to know all sorts of things about this incomprehensible thing...
     
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  5. Shogun Bleed White and Blue! Valued Senior Member

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    Umm...probably the hardest thing to explain. Here is an analogy,

    There is a party of blind man, blind from birth, one at the feet, one on top, one in front, one behind and one far away from an elephant. The first four man will have different interpretations of the elephant, while the fifth denies of the elephant's existence.
     
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  7. Shogun Bleed White and Blue! Valued Senior Member

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    That really depends on if you chose to accept men like Moses and Abraham as messengers of God, and the Lord, Jesus Christ as the Son of God. Your entire point of view depends on it.
     
  8. Shogun Bleed White and Blue! Valued Senior Member

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    Think about this hypothetical scenario. ( if you see it as hypothetical or not, depends on you )

    If God in fact does not exist.

    What have I got to lose? :shrug:

    The happiness I gained from an emotional and spiritual retreat?

    A purpose of living for myself?

    The life and blessings religion and having faith have given me?

    The value of religion to me?

    I probably won't be alive to know anything by then and regret my choice, oh well, whatever. It is also a personal safety net and railing that helps me not make choice that would ruin my life.

    To me, if there is no God, what have I got to lose? And what have I lost?

    On the other hand...

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  9. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    That's a false analogy.. It assumes a priori that God exists.
    I'm still interested in what the touching of the elephant is analogous of.
     
  10. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Pascal's wager. It's a false dichotomy, how does one choose between the many hundreds of the world's religions?

    Even if God exists, you still have all your work ahead of you to show how a human messenger was right. Happiness, purpose, and a safety net are not implicit in the belief in God.
     
  11. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    So you just 'believe' out of the fear that if you don't you will be punished for it if it turns out that he does exist..
    Sorry, but that's not believing. That's just saying you believe; fooling yourself.
     
  12. Shogun Bleed White and Blue! Valued Senior Member

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    That is the only option, either A) Assume God does exist B) Assume God does not exist. I an making an analogy towards why we cannot comprehend such things.

    Umm...

    Okay, the elephant is doctrine of God, and each man has an interpretation of the doctrine, that and political gains are what separates religions from one another.
     
  13. Rhaedas Valued Senior Member

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    Shogun, ever heard of the Atheist's Wager? It concentrates on just being a good person, what most religions focus on anyway, and if there's a benevolent god, so be it, he'll see what you did. It's more about a person's actions than what they believe.
     
  14. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    C) Not assuming anything.
     
  15. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Maybe God will ask you to kill your children. Wouldn't be the first time.
     
  16. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    :worship:
     
  17. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    God could ask you to cut the end of your dick off. That seems like a negative outcome.
     
  18. Shogun Bleed White and Blue! Valued Senior Member

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    No, no. You are assuming I believe God will mercilessly punish men that are atheists, I take the official stance of my religion and say no, God will not put people in hell for that, God will bless every man on Earth, because we believe every man on Earth, because we believe every man on Earth have not chose to go with Satan and his one third. Only Sons of Perdition will end up in the outer darkness, and to qualify, one must know WITHOUT A SHADOW OF DOUBT God exists, but deny it and lead people astray nonetheless, or do something like commit genocide. I cannot be a Son of Perdition, neither can anyone on this forums.

    If he does not exist, oh well whatever. If he does exist, great I was right

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    It is like...

    Me asking you to guess the right number, if you don't, whatever you aren't going to lose sleep over it, it is not like I will take you to a Chinese torture chamber and torture you until you die. If you do, gratz, great.
     
  19. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    So, for you, it's just about knowing you were right all this time? :bugeye:
    Still, that's not believing. It's betting.
     
  20. Shogun Bleed White and Blue! Valued Senior Member

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    EXACTLY, to be God, he must be perfect, and to be perfect...I have no problem with that.

    That is why we believe every man on this Earth will get blessed, and those who do exceptionally good, but are not believers will get blessed even more. We however also believes that those who spread the word of God and stick with our religion, will get blessed even more. HOWEVER, the "lowest" level is enough of a blessing to make any man want to commit suicide this instant to go there.

    We believe that God put a veil to try us, and those who fail are not held accountable.

    There are exceptions to the rule as I mentioned in my previous post.

    That is what we believe. That is why I respect every man's beliefs, and respect all religions and sects, unless it is direct violation of a damning sin, such as murder.

    I am just stating the official stanza of my religion.
     
  21. Rhaedas Valued Senior Member

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    Actually, it's not a true Pascal's Wager, because there's no real threat for not believing, just for doing evil. Pascal came up with the wager to try and show why you better believe, or else. You're saying that you can or can't, just be good. Not quite as threatening.
     
  22. Shogun Bleed White and Blue! Valued Senior Member

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    It is hard to explain, I can't perhaps my latest post can assist in that.
     
  23. Shogun Bleed White and Blue! Valued Senior Member

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    Or perhaps it is like Noah's ark where they are sons of perdition that must not be dead for the sakes of his other children.

    I don't know what scripture it is from, but there is one about better a man slain then a nation fall into disbelief. Basically, unless God came RIGHT NOW LITERALLY IN FRONT OF ME and said, "Go kill so and so,", we are not supposed to, no matter which man it came from ( unless you are in the military or the CIA ). Such a scenario that I just mentioned is EXTREMELY EXTREMELY RARE. So rare that it probably won't happen to me or anyone I know or even in this era, where God wants someone out.

    For Abraham, it is to test his faith, well it got stopped by an angel after all. That was the only case where I remember, and it was a test, and he was commanded to stop or he will be struck that instant.
     

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