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Motion is not just what happens to the rock. The rock IS motion. You are choosing the idea that a rock is a single object, as a single entity. That simply isn't the case. A rock is comprised of smaller elements in motion, which are also comprised of smaller elements in motion, etc... The bottom line is that the rock is motion, cut and dry!

BTW, how do you understand motion as something that happens to a rock? Motion compared to what? You can't even define motion, and yet you are saying it's what happens to rocks. Sitting still???? Compared to what? I have an absolute reference, you don't, remember?

Mass is motion. Motion is not perpetual, so mass loses mass as a cost of motion. Mass loses mass, to the point of becoming less dense, to the point of simply being space. The rock basically consumes itself because motion has a price.

You didn't answer my question. You seem to believe that a rock can perpetually exist forever? Is that the case, James? Do you believe in perpetual motion? Do you actually believe that?

Motor Daddy is but motion, at every level of my being. Motor Daddy is not a single entity, Motor Daddy is a composition of matter, which is motion.

 

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This sounds more and more like the comic "Atom" where the guy could shrink or grow by changing the "spacing" between atoms and/or particles......in other words, total fiction.

 

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No, everything is motion. There is no such thing as an object that isn't comprised of motion. Even light is motion. If you think there is a substance that is not comprised of motion please name it. Please tell me which object in this universe is not in motion, or comprised of motion?

Substance is motion, James. There is no such animal as a substance without motion.

According to your definition, a rock has no motion, for it's all other rocks that are in motion, not your rock.

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Yes I do, and I have some math to prove it. See the other thread. Can you dispute my math?

So you think a rock is 1 entity which has no motion within? Exactly which object has no motion within, again?

Forever is never ending. It is continuous with no end. You say a rock (or even an atom) can exist in time, continuously? Prove it! All indications say that motion isn't free! Motion happens at a cost!

Do you believe that an object of mass (such as a rock) can exist unchanged in mass and energy value, continuously in time, infinitely?

Again, a substance is comprised of motion. There isn't this magical thing known as "substance" that has no internal motion. You're fooling yourself if you think there is a substance with no motion!

...and that matter that I'm comprised of that is in motion is also comprised of smaller entities that are made of motion.

 

Your "body" is a composition of atoms that are in motion. Do you deny that? You seem to imply that your body is a solid object, and also imply that the chair is a solid object, and that there is no motion between the two objects of motion. I got news for you. Your "body" is comprised of motion, ie, atoms that are in motion, so there is no motionlessness between you and the chair. Every level you can measure is in motion compared to the chair, which is also in motion at every level. There is no object either of the chair or the body that has no relative motion at the atomic level, or at a smaller level. You have bad eyes and you conclude there is no motion between you and the chair. Now that's funny right there, I don't care who you are!

So the atoms are motionless inside the rock? Do you actually believe that?

Two rocks side by side are two objects of motion side by side. There is no two points of mass that can be said to be motionless compared to each other. It's like saying two fires can be at rest with each other.

VIBRATE??? What is that? It sounds like motion that can be measured in distance and time? Is that what you are now saying, that atoms are motion? Is that vibration at a cost, or free? Free vibration? Cool!

So if I can't watch the rock evolve to space in 10 minutes then it doesn't happen, is that what you are implying? That because it doesn't happen in a short time it isn't so?

Any mass, any unit of measure of energy you want to use. It's all motion!

 

Motor Daddy,
I don't think James was suggesting that Motion doesn't exist, he was implying there is a difference in regards to the definition of Motion and it's use.

Let's identify what "Mass" actually is, Mass is a matrix of different interchangeable types of Energy, depending on what energy is more common effects the measurement of "Mass".

A Rock sitting still is going to have "Rest Mass" (even if it's parts are in motion), in fact it even has "Inertial Mass" the mass that exists without force being applied. These and potentially other various values could not be defined if the Rock was assumed to constantly be in motion. (In fact the motion and function of atoms would negate any Mass change from those values being interpreted as "in motion". I guess I'm saying a Rock of 1kg doesn't fluctuate between 0.5kg's and 2kg's because of it's parts moving.)

However if the rock is thrown, it's Mass changes because it's "in motion". After all you have the initial force of the throw that is applied as well as universal factors like gravity and worldly factors like atmospheric density.

 

Your body is not a solid object, obviously. Your body consists of, for example, blood that constantly flows, a heart that constantly beats, and lungs that constantly breath. How do you consider that a solid???

The word "rock" is a term used to describe an object that's made of motion. A rock is not a solid! The term solid implies no movement. Rocks are made of atoms, and they move, therefore, rocks are not solid, they are made of motion!

Close but no cigar. Not on the level I am talking about. There is no point you can pick of the mass that is motionless. There is no motionless point to measure from at the subatomic level. try again.

So you agree that rocks are comprised of atoms, and atoms vibrate, therefore rocks are not solid?

The cost of motion. There are no free rides. There is no perpetual motion.

Yes they do. All mass evolves to space. It is the natural process of the universe. Mass evolves to space. You have much to learn, grasshopper.

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I've already told you that gravity is not what you say it is. Gravity is the repositioning of an object to its correct position in the density order.

Gravity can force an object away from the center of the earth, just as it can force an object towards the center of the earth.

 

This gives pseudoscience a bad name.

Cesspool.

 

I guess we are done here.

I know the Earth came from the Sun. You say it was a bunch of dust that came together.

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I know mass evolves to space, as is supported by the second law of thermodynamics, which is true of every physical process in the universe.

You say you can measure from a center of mass, but when you try to find the center there is nothing there. There is mass moving all around the center, and even through the center, but you can't very well say you are measuring no motion compared to a chair (which is comprised of motion itself) from a point of motion, can you? There is no mass at the center, as when you get to the point at the center (which is also impossible to get to a "center"), there is NOTHING there!

You say a body that is comprised of motion (which is mostly liquid as we know it) is a solid. With a statement like that, your science leaves MUCH to be desired. You say, if it isn't a plasma, gas, or liquid, it must be a solid. Too funny, James. You label an object comprised of motion, consisting of various states of matter as one state. Too funny!

 

...just one more thought on your concept of, "if it isn't a gas, liquid, or plasma, it must be a solid."

So James, I ask you, according to your logic, is the universe a gas? Is it a liquid? Is it a plasma?

No???


Then it must be a solid!

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This is a silly thread.

 

Yep. Any thread with MD ends up being a silly thread.

 

So you are going to measure from the center of mass of an L shaped bar to the chair to find out if the L shaped bar is in motion relative to the chair? You're gonna place the ruler somewhere outside the material of the object, and measure from there to the chair, and find out if the L shaped bar moved? You are measuring a point in space to the chair, and then gonna make claims about the motion of the L shaped bar relative to the chair?

No, you're not getting it. EVERY body is in motion, and consists of elements in motion. EVERY body, James.

On average? So now you are making claims about the state of matter "on average?" So a solid rock isn't really all solid, it's just solid "on average?" I'd like to see those numbers, James, as the way I understand it, "on average," by volume, mass is mostly space. If by volume mass is mostly space, then "on average" mass is space, not a gas, liquid, plasma, or solid.

You mean my body can't pass through your body, so your body is a solid? Is MY shape and size a factor in your state of matter? For instance, if I was so small (almost point like) and could easily pass through your body without touching anything, would that change the state of your matter to, say, a gas? So my size determines your state of matter?

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Exactly.