it was all about greed. americans seized control of the islands and usurped the hawaiian people's government and royalty. these things are not as highlighted in american history or public knowledge as much as pearl harbor for obvious reasons. actually, if they want to talk about karma, it could be said that the attack on pearl harbor was karma for americans. they don't understand that. that's what's dangerous about people's beliefs in that they can believe they are vicitms so become self-righteous to further do damage to others when they may be the ones who did wrong in the first place. that's how manipulation goes. people are quite disgusting and corrupt. if they want to talk karma, then america is going to have a hellstorm of shit waiting for them too. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Dams aren't fool proof either what is your point? And if you want far reaching effects you don't think all the coal power plants in china for example don't have an effect on everyone else in the world? This nuclear accident is only a disaster in people heads, meanwhile people are dying due to an actual disaster! Lets look at the long term effects, lets take the worse case scenario that actually happened, a nuclear reactor without a containment dome: radioactive material spewed over a continent, whole city evacuated forever. People forbiding the consumption of livestock because those animals are no so radioactive that a consistent diet of them might equal the equivalent radiation dosage of percentage of a dental X-ray! OK, Let see how many people actually died, oh less then a hundred, actual confirmed cancer rates increase and mortality was much lower then expected, the city that was abandoned is less radioactive by several times then other cities in the world (like Ramsar) that are still populated with people having no increase cancer rates. It quiet clear how dangerous nuclear power is: it causes far more damage indirectly through mass hysteria and damage though actions taken by people's hysteria. There are two solutions to that, we can either drop nuclear power appeasing people's hysterical fear as they live harder lives with less energy, or we can simply educate people and continue to build nuclear power.
Who's hysterical? I've not seen any mass hysteria and I've been watching Japanese Tv *Edit. The Japs are the least hysterical people I know of..
actually it signifies extremely bad character. as if two nukes and military occupation isn't enough of a payback. american people are not more moral than others as much as they like to tout they are the beacon in the world and everyone else is not as lily clean. when it comes down to it, on an individual level, they are bad/good like the rest of 'em.
We mass-produce it here. I would say it's because of our crappy education system...but truthfully, I think any child who is really motivated to learn here can get a semi-decent education. They may still need remedials to get into college-our inner city schools for poor kids,as well as poorer districts, are horribly dumbed-down. But they can get an education...they just don't necessarily want it. We don't have a culture that values intelligence-in fact it sort of regards intelligence as somehow "unhip". We Keep it Real, yo. Real Dumb. :wallbang: Sigh. I can't argue with that. We're not all jackasses...but I suspect they do constitute a majority. Basically, Americans remember what was done to them, not the bigger thing they did in response. For instance, I expect people will be bringing up 9-11 as justification for whatever they want done in any Middle Eastern country some time hence, despite all the people we've killed in invading Afghanistan and Iraq. Disputed quote of Adlai Stevenson:
Why do you think it become such an issue in the news, on this forum, if people did not have an such a disproportionate fear of it? People are dying under ruble and here we are talking about the nuclear power plants. lets not make stereotypes, because then I'll just have to say that the Japanese people are the least sorry for there horrific war crimes then any other people I know of.
They still haven't apologized for the "comfort women" rape camps, have they? Or Nanking? I generally admire Japanese culture, but there is a strong racist streak present. I don't feel like swinging that tar-brush, though. It splatters.
no, this isn't just about in response to an aggression against america. america annexed hawaii, usurped their own government and put their base there. if anything is karma, then the attack on pearl harbor would be. that would be closer to correct. but most americans think they are on the moral high ground.
really?? let's examine this honestly and realistically. for instance, do you think most americans really gives two shits about what america has done or is it merely lip service if they do that at all? we'll see how 'in touch' with reality your response will be.
I picked this up on one of my wire feeds..If anybody wants to support the relief effort..http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/13/tsunami-aid-and-relief-how-you-can-help/
WTF are you on about here? This statement has precisely zero relevance to anything that I've said, and Hydro, at least, is renewable. Is it? Is it really? What do you propose we compare it to, then, if not the death rates from alternative forms of energy generation? Really? You think a nuclear meltdown must neccessarily kill more people than a dam failure? Let's look at some figures, shall we. Chernobyl. The ONLY Nuclear accident to occur (so far) tht has scored an INES rating of 7. If we take some of the more pessimistic figures, eg Greenpeace or IPPNW, then we get somewhere in the vicinity of 90-110,000 deaths, projected out to 2065. Compare this to, for example, the Banqiao dam failure in China in 1975. Overtopped by a 1 in 2000 year rainfall event. 26,000 people were killed in the initial dam failure (versus the 28 who died as a result of the initial blast at chernobyl through raidation exposure), and an additional 145,000 people died during the epidemics and famine that followed the dam failure. Yes, I've watched news broadcasts from the US, Canada, and the UK (among others) and they've all done the same thing. They've interviewed one official, and then two or three people from anti nuclear lobbying groups, one of whom explicitly and directly accused the IAEA of covering up the true magnitude of what is going on. Frankly it's disgusting. All we actually know is this: The primary containment was vented to preserve structural integrity. This venting resulted in the build up of Hydrogen gas in the secondary containment. This hydrogen gas was subsequently ignited. Samples taken have indicated the presence of Iodine and Caesium in the air. That's it. The presence of I and Cs in the air simply indicates that one of the fuel rods has been damaged. This could have been a partial melt (the contents of that fuel rod melted) or it could simply mean that the rod has split its casing. And they may well be right. M8.9 earthquakes and 10m Tsunamis don't just happen. And there in lies perspective. This plant survived an earthquake, and tsunami, and the backups kicked in normally, and the backups for the backups operated normally when those inexplicably failed It's just a shame that they weren't able to get the mobile backups for the backups of the backups up and running properly. The venting is to maintain the structural integrity of the reactor vessel and the primary containment precisely so they don't have a catastrophic failure. So far this is no worse than the Sellafield incidents between 1955 and 1979.
no, not really, I was just making a statement about not making stereotypes, the stereotype was not meant to be taken factual but as a example of what not to say or think.
As Arthur says. No. China Syndrome on Wiki This is what happens during a meltdown, Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! 3 is a steam pipe from the reactor, 1 is what they call Corium Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! These are images from within the Chernobyl station basement(s).
Slideshow of some amazing (and moving) pictures from reuters: http://www.reuters.com/news/pictures/slideshow?articleId=USRTR2JQY6#a=1
To be honest, I've found quite the contrary. There is a lot of sorrow and shame about the past in Japan from many people, in particular because of the two atomic bombs. It greatly effects books, manga, art and film as well, where having whole cities destroyed is a common theme. eg: Akira, Godzilla. Not to stereotype or anything...
Again my statement was a example of stereotype, not to be take factually. Anyways I don't think feeling sorry that they got their asses kicked is the same as feeling sorry for murdering, raping and pillaging millions. Uwe Boll put it best in this joke "My father died in the death camps too... he fell from a guard tower."
I'd say that most Americans are only made to learn about Pearl Harbor in history classes, they don't learn what we did to antagonize the Japanese beforehand, nor about the conventional firebombing of Japanese cities afterwards. Remember, American people, on the whole, don't learn more than they're made to. Let's hear it for compulsory education! http://www.jpri.org/publications/workingpapers/wp77.html There does seem to be at least a small movement towards atonement and renunciation of imperialism. Does not seem very significant, though. Once again, that tar-brush splatters...America has a long history of imperialism, was created through evicting the native inhabitants, and we mostly haven't apologized for it, or compensated anybody for anything. I guess if Yellowstone blows up sometime soon, there'll be people saying we deserved it... http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...one-park-supervolcano-eruption-magma-science/ The pictures are just horrible, Ultra...I wouldn't wish that on anybody.
But then, of course, we'd need to teach kids why we decided to "antagonize" the Japanese beforehand. Ever hear of Nanking?
