WHY does anything exist?

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by lightgigantic, May 16, 2007.

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  1. SciWriter Valued Senior Member

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    At least we have also identified through our experiments here that strong emotion can have a direct and separate path into consciousness, completely bypassing any rational and logical portions of the brain.

    We have performed a lab test and a cat scan on an emotional squirrel person.
     
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  3. NMSquirrel OCD ADHD THC IMO UR12 Valued Senior Member

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    subjective to perspective of state of being.
    it is a fact that i think 'has squirrel lost his nuts?'
    it is a fact that i feel that 'he is nuts'
    it is a fact that i know that he isn't.
    it is a fact that i believe i like him anyway..


    this be true.
     
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  5. SciWriter Valued Senior Member

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    Has existence sunk to a new low?
     
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  7. NMSquirrel OCD ADHD THC IMO UR12 Valued Senior Member

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    as with the others, in the extreme.
    boils out to moderation in all things.
     
  8. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Close.
    "it is a fact that i know that he isn't." Isn't correct. (Or at least it's conditional).
    It can't be a fact that I know you're not UNLESS it is also a fact that you aren't*. One cannot know something if it isn't true (if it's not true then all you can do is believe).

    And the fourth one is a bit weird.
    "I believe I like him"?

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    You mean it's possible I could be under the impression that I like you but am mistaken? And that I (could) actually dislike you at the same time as being unaware that this is so?

    * With regard to you actually being nuts or not... We'll leave that, as they say, as an exercise for the student.

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  9. SciWriter Valued Senior Member

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    Neither love nor hate will help to pave the way to the truth, but will rather retard the journey or prevent it.
     
  10. ULTRA Realistically Surreal Registered Senior Member

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    Well love and hate evidently exist, but thier nature is somewhat transient and etherial. They appear to be conditional on our existence whereas most physical phenomena can exist independently of us.
     
  11. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Measurement simply forces definite outcomes.
    That's the problem.
    Why should that be so?
     
  12. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    I didn't see this one 'til now.
    This is a circular argument based on an unproven (and unsupported) premise.
    How do you know that the world is not perceivable when we're asleep? This seems to be a construct designed entirely to support your argument that there must be "one changeless entity".
    You're conflating "lack of awareness of X" (which you correctly pointed out is the case when we sleep) with "impercetibility of X" (which is an a priori assumption on your part).
     
  13. dwivedys Registered Member

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    I will apologize for using inappropriate words. I shouldn't have said what I said in a civilized forum - for that matter - anywhere. I usually don't react. But - that wouldn't change my stance towards the matter eitherways. In fact if you had noticed - I had not replied to some of your earlier posts and that was deliberate.

    However - I will review your posts in detail and see if I find something worthwhile to respond with.

    I am sorry for using inappropriate language. I mean it.
     
  14. dwivedys Registered Member

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    How do I know that the world is not perceivable? Might I qualify that this is in context of the "sleeper" not the "others" who are awake. If you are pointing that the world remains perceivable to those who are awake - I will grant you that. But that wasn't what I was pointing to. But then given that you so like to win arguments - I can see how you could have missed this one.
     
  15. dwivedys Registered Member

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    The dictionary is not the answer my friend... learn to understand humans a bit more and you'll perhaps be able to "see".
     
  16. dwivedys Registered Member

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    No I don't fail. Understand this one carefully. A "thing" can be "continous" in an interval. A thing which is continous regardless of any intervals would be *eternal*.

    Tell me what in the above sentences you find contentious? I am not disputing your definition of continous as it relates to continuity over a specific period of time. You could have spared the trouble of digging out the dictionary definition. In case it's not apparent to you, I understand English though may not be as proficient as you.

    For me a thing not conditioned by space or time is eternal. If you deny the truth of this - Let's have an open debate on this very subject.


    I have three strands of white hair on Jan 1, 2011. On Jan 2, 2012 I have five strands of white hair on my head. During the relevant timespans both statements were true and I appeared to have had three white strands of hair *continously* for that one year period.

    Truth in my opinion (once again) - is continous, unbroken and eternal beyond the conditioning of space and time. Please get this argument once and for all and tell me if you dispute it.


    All I can say to this is that you are mistaken and please don't start talking semantics with me.

    Acknowledged and apologized. I had lost my sense for a moment.

    Regards
     
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  17. dwivedys Registered Member

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    How can existence sink to any *low* (or be elevated)? Thoughts may create a feeling of low and high. Existence is unconditioned by space. Time it may be conditioned by perhaps - for instance a thing may exist today but not tomorrow. But the eternal existence admits of no conditioning of space and time.

    SciWriter: No offence: I understand the figurative sense in which you put your sentence. But, really, it offered me a chance to explain the eternal nature of that entity which I have been painfully trying to highlight in all my posts and which is continously being refuted.

    Thanks
     
  18. dwivedys Registered Member

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    Precisely Captain...
     
  19. dwivedys Registered Member

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    I don't know if others can see this - but look at the point Squirrel is raising and look at how Dyw is responding to it.

    That's the reason why I said Dyw - you simply like to have something to say -no matter what the argument. Of course you would want me to substantiate.

    Squirrel clearly says -

    subjective to perspective of state of being ---- which I might rephrase a bit ----- From the perspective of state of being ----

    it is a fact (he is using *fact* in the sense I had used)
    that i think (here the *fact* and *i think* are the same)
    'has squirrel lost his nuts?' (the thinker's contention --- which may or may not be accepted as *the truth* --- but is a *fact* of *thought* occurring to the thinker)

    What do you respond the above assertion with? More Rigmarole which skirts the basic issue entirely and somewhat regretfully.
     
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  20. dwivedys Registered Member

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    Most physical phenomenon (indeed ALL) can/may exist independently of us - but yet they too are transient and ephemeral --- even if they *seem* to last centuries --- yet they all have a beginning and will most certainly have an end. So to that extent love and hate are no different than any other phenomenon.
     
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  21. dwivedys Registered Member

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    Agree whole-heartedly!
     
  22. Rav Valued Senior Member

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    Quantum weirdness is what it is. But it doesn't become a random mess of chaotic uncertainty when we are not looking at it. Feynman's sum over histories shows that there is still a measure of control. As Hawking has said:

    "The probability of a particle going from A to B is found by adding the up the waves associated with every possible path that passes through A and B."

    So even though the undisturbed quantum world exhibits behaviour that may seem strange to us, the fundamental laws of physics still hold and therefore the universe still functions. Consciousness is not required.
     
  23. dwivedys Registered Member

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    Can you state this fact unconsciously? Who is the one to whom this becomes apparent?
     
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