Is hot sauce and cold showers discipline or abuse?

Oh, give me a break. I can just see the police rushing to the scene and arresting someone for slipping some hot sauce onto your sandwich or squirting you with a supersoaker filled with cold water.

I think you are all blowing this out of proportion. Cold showers and hot sauce, while I've never used them as discipline, are essentially harmless but uncomfortable.

I would say that using both the hot sauce and the cold shower seemed a bit excessive, and perhaps she left the kid in the shower longer than she needed to; but to call this child abuse when we have people literally dipping their children in boiling water and boiling them to death, is quite a stretch.

A lack of discipline is far worse than this level of "abuse". Every time some parent is charged with child abuse for this kind of piddly shit, it just prompts more and more parents to not dicipline their children at all. Then the "discipline" is left up to law enforcement when the undisciplined kids grow up to become undisciplined adults.

 

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You could sue for someone farting in your general direction. That doesn't mean you'd win.

It depends on what the prisoners did. They shouldn't be subjected to such treatment for no reason, but if they were rioting or fighting spraying them with cold water would be a quite gentle way of breaking up the fight/quelling the riot.

The punishment should fit the crime.

No reason to make this personal, but my children are very rarely disciplined at all because they obey the rules. A result, I would assume, of early discipline and good genes (neither I nor my wife were trouble makers). Also, they're all past the age where corporal punishment is appropriate. So you can rest easy.

First of all, I'm not talking about abuse. You're the one who seems to be equating any corporal punishment with abuse. Are you, in fact, opposed to all corporal punishment? Or just cold showers and hot sauce?

 

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That's a little extreme. Everyone I know in the Army had to take cold showers almost everyday in basic training.

If you really think it's a stretch, you don't need the more extreme example to call it a stretch.

What type of discipline would you not consider physical or psychological abuse?

 

And I had to take one everyday at camp. Was that child abuse? Also, what about the classic "wash your mouth out with soap"? Is that abuse now too?

 

Yes it's abuse. That woman needs a bottle of that sauce pumped up her anus.

 

She did not make him drink hot sauce, that could make you sick. He held it in his mouth then spit it out. Holding mouthwash in your mouth is completely different than drinking it.
And once again, while you may not see it that way I do, but children are not adults.

 

in a science forum, it would be trying to figure out why the universe would produce and allow such violence or violent tendencies. that's what the real question is. whether we recognize it on one level that it shouldn't be that way, it exists. what is strange about this place is that through life itself reveals just how much of the horrible exists here. one would ponder why would the universe be so predatorial and why produce so much pain, fear, grief, and suffering. what is the foundation and building blocks and laws are that would produce such a life system.

when we look out into space, of course it all looks beautiful and elegant. there are no consequences when it's not a 'lifeform' like us. that is the biggest puzzle of all. what does life and how life is mean about us, the universe and why.

 

Dr phil is surposedly a real shrink right?
if so doesnt that make him a manditory reporter for child abuse?
therefor why did this ever go to air rather than going straight to DOCS?

 

There are lots of things adults can do to children, but not to other adults and vice versa. For example you can't physically force an adult to get into your car, they could press charges against you if you did. But I see parents all of the time physically picking their three year old off the ground while the child kicks and screams, they force them into the car and lock them in their car seat. Yet no one calls the police and accuses the parent of kidnapping or holding someone against their will. Why not?

A child can be forced to have certain medical procedures done whether they want them done or not. I remember a little girl at the doctor's office screaming because she didn't want to have a cast put on her arm. Her parents had one put on anyway. How could they be so cruel? When the doctor told me I had to use crutches and wear a brace, I ignored him and no one could force me to wear that leg brace either.

Children are not adults and should not be treated as such. How else could you take care of them if you had to treat them like adults? Almost everything a parent has to do to take care of a young child would be annoying at best and illegal at worst if they did it to an adult. The older a child becomes the less care, instruction, and correction they need so certain caretaking behaviors also become inappropriate.
I don't need my parents to dress me and bathe me or make sure I'm in bed early enough on a weekday anymore, if they were to do those things to me or if I were to do those things for another adult without consent it would be inappropriate and uncalled for.

 

Wait...what? Dr Phil...aired this? Fuck that guy...seriously.

Yes it's abuse, esp nowadays.

 

actually the root of this is very deep and disturbing. in general it has to do with power. it's because a child doesn't have as much power so adults make up contrived and fraudulent excuses, often elaborate and manipulative to condone or justify it. but the truth is it's all about power. an adult isn't going to put up with it and can fight back much easier. children are easier to control. that's all it's about.

what's so heinous and perverted is how society has and still does condone corporal punishment such as spankings and even bullying of children in schools yet adults have protections from harassment and assault that even children are not afforded. children are the ones who are more vulnerable.

it's totally ASSBACKWARDS. but what i want to know is why is this cosmos so FUCKED UP to begin with?? hmm?

 

Hot sauce is a food product yes? one that capticalizes of the EXTREME irritation factor of the oils in the peppers used. These oils are irritating at fiorst but can acutally cuase extreme pain after a short while. In fact there are hot peppers out there that can bond permanently to the tastebuds with a simple taste. Tobasco is not one of them, but I am not sure it has been tasted on human taste buds reliably for more than few minutes of casual contact. Such extreme contact could indeed cuase irreversible damage resulting in permanent agonizing pain.

Now before you speak on this again fill you mouth to the brim with Tobasco sauce and hold it for five minutes. I say fave becuase we won;t have people yelling at you. Then after that jump inot the shower turning only the cold water on and stand under the full stream. Then we might listen to your drivel. Oh and videotape it for youtube so we can verify.

 

Couldn't it be argued that that is psychological abuse? Where is a good point to draw the line between discomfort and abuse? And what do you do if the child takes it upon him/herself to take those privileges anyway?

 

Not to play devils advocate here or anything but is nobody here old enough to remember the days before warm showers? It's a tad draconian I grant you but abusive? Not really, it's just uncomfortably unpleasant, which is the entire point of it.
As for hot sauce, that's not painful either, in fact it's quite delicious. Now if she'd put it up his nose or in his ass I'd be inclined to agree with the outrage of it, but seriously what next? Abuse is putting cabbage in a childs mouth? Because we all know the fuss they kick up about that!

At least she didn't beat him, and free-range parenting just doesn't work, as evidenced by the numerous people that like to complain kids these days have no respect and don't understand that actions have consequences etc - but I suppose everybody here thinks little Timmy will miraculously sit on the time out stool and listen to you talk because you said so, or maybe we should just let kids do whatever they want (and then of course blame the parents when they do for not disciplining the children enough).

You should be more concerned about the tirade she hurls at him than a condiment and lack of heating.

What do the parents here do to discipline their children? Or do the darling angels never misbehave? :shrug: