should creationists be allowed in science?

That's the description of a behavior of body of people.

I think some compatibility is required but not in all things. The bible is a book written for a pastoral people to understand. It certainly has a high level of truth in it for being 3500 years old. I find it hard to ignore. It's a true time traveler. Few things have come so far forward in time and remain in our common view. I respect the creationist theory and I add no ridicule to it or to the standard geologic estimates of time.

 

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Somewhere between 18 and 20 billion years ago, all of the matter in the universe was compressed into a tiny space no larger than the dot on a page. This dot spun faster and faster until it exploded, thus creating the Universe and everything in it.

That is the big bang THEORY that is taught as law within schools.

THis is why it is false:

in an environment without friction you would have this spinning dot going so fast it would then explode. If this happened, then all of the particles and matter being expelled from this "spinning dot" would all have to spin in the same direction as the dot they exploded from.

This is a known law of science, which those who believe in Evolution cannot do away with. It is known as the Conservation of angular momentum.

This matter which is said to have created the planets would all need to spin in the same direction as the object it came from.

So therefore, all of the planets should be spinning in the same direction.

However two of them are not. Venus and Uranus spin backwards.

Some planets even have moons that not only spin backwards, but travel backward around their planets.


The Big Bang theory also ignores the First law of Thermodynamics, which says:
"matter cannot be created or destroyed"
If the dot that became our universe had contained all the matter that is currently our universe it would've collapsed into itself and the opposite of a big bang would've happened.

Those who believe in the Big Bang theory are also either unaware of, or ignore the "Second Law of Thermodynamics" which says:
"Everything tends towards disorder"

So rather than the chaos (big bang) becoming ordered (our universe), just the opposite would be true.. And it is. Our complex universe is wearing down, and becoming more chaotic... THis is true because as the overall temperature of our universe draws towards absolute zero everything will stop and there will be no more order, no more movement really.

Yes but in reality that is the meaning of absolute zero, no energy expendeture, alll potential energy, if something is only potential energy and no kinetic, there is absolutely no way for it to create a big bang, no matter how wonderfuln it may seem to the common atheist.

Science often reveals thingsd that are counter intuitive

 

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Every planet in our solar system except for Venus and Uranus rotates counter-clockwise as seen from above the North Pole; that is to say, from west to east. This is the same direction in which all the planets orbit the sun. Uranus was likely hit by a very large planetoid early in its history, causing it to rotate "on its side," 90 degrees away from its orbital motion. Venus rotates backwards compared to the other planets, also likely due to an early asteroid hit which disturbed its original rotation.


http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=20

Are you saying that God created the planets so as to make them look as if they had been hit by other objects?
Why would God do that?

What about the moon's craters?
Would you say that the moon had been hit by any large objects?
What if one of them had been large enough to reverse the moon's spin?
What do you think would have happened?

 

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There are a lot of errors in what you just said.
The Big Bang was not a spinning dot. It occurred approximately 13.75 billion years ago, not 18-20 billion. It did not spin faster until it exploded. It began as a singularity and expanded.

Conservation of angular momentum covers an entire system, not individual parts of a system. There is no requirement that every part of the system have the same average conservation of momentum. Some may have positive spin, some negative - it is only the _average_ that cannot change.

The First Law of Thermo says ENERGY cannot be destroyed or created, but can be transformed.

Yet supernovas still explode. Sounds like there is a flaw in your reasoning.

That's proof OF a big bang. The original highly ordered structure (singularity) is breaking down. Entropy is increasing, as predicted.

Potential energy is energy that can be turned into kinetic energy.

 

A more pertinent question than the one raised in the OP is; why don't creationists do any science?

why is it that, despite levels of funding that any respectible sized biology department at a good university would be happy to receive, organisations like ICR, or the Discovery Institute failed to produce and publish one single piece of recognised science since these organisations were founded? - seriously not one - nothing, nada, zip, zilch.

the answer is simple of course - the science works

 

And of course, since creationism is not science, it should not be taught as science. My biggest hangup on creationism is when those idiots try to get it into schools as part of the science curriculum. I get even more annoyed when politicians actually start pushing this barrow. Of course, we all know how smart the average politician is!

 

Politicians would eat dog dirt if they thought it would get them elected.

 

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Must be one of these trolls I keep hearing about.

 

For those that may not know, "CSICOP" is The Committee for Skeptical Inquiry.

"The mission of the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry is to promote scientific inquiry, critical investigation, and the use of reason in examining controversial and extraordinary claims."

http://www.csicop.org/

 

James Randi was so succesful as a stage magician that he is now rather wealthy. In his retirement, he set up a special prize for anyone who can demonstrate any psychic ability, under controlled scientific conditions, with professional magicians watching for trickery. This prize now stands at $ 1 million. After many years, it remains unclaimed, in spite of various attempts by both those who are self deluded and those who are frauds. This is excellent evidence that psychic abilities simply do not exist.

 

Creationists have made many contributions to all kinds of scientific inquiry and related fields. Physics and math, related disciplines such as engineering and materials science generally, medicine and aerodynamics and weapons research, all feature significant and valuable contributions from creationists continuing to this day.

 

Me and my new friends that think like Me found it and we are going to prove it beyond a shadow of doubt. Yeah Skink on this mo fo's and naysayers . It is going to blow your minds. Yeah buddy rock on!

 

Now that is what I call a truth

 

Answer to original thread title: NO.

However, if creationists were to be allowed into the science curricula, as a practicing pantheist, and an advocate of multi-culturalism I would demand that ALL creation myths of all known cultures be taught as true SIMULTANEOUSLY.

*folds arms*

Now stick that in your pipe and smoke it, you bible-thumpers.

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If we manage to survive until the year 2500, I wonder if Randi will be honoured as a key figure of Twentieth Century thought.
I think perhaps he will, and rightly.
Bunkum is Bunkum.

 

And people will say "Great Randi!" when caught unawares in social situations.

Or, probably not.

 

Government have not the right or business in telling us what we should or shouldn't teach our children.