What is the worst act of the Iranian government towards another nation?

Discussion in 'History' started by S.A.M., Nov 30, 2010.

  1. Bells Staff Member

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    You know, we provide you with the links, you ignore them and make up your own stories anyway. So what's the actual point of discussing anything with you when we have to keep repeating it over and over again until it sinks in past your wild flights of fancy?



    Of course. I think you have established that Australians are into killing children for sport. Don't you hear it daily how Australians are murdering children in Afghanistan? Yes? No? Iran hangs homosexual teenage boys? Hey, no problems there.. they're natives and locals, so that's fine! The Taliban slice off a woman's face? Again, locals.. that's fine. Don't hear a single word of complaint or criticism from you. A bungled military operation that results in the tragic deaths of 5 children, leading to charges of manslaughter being laid against the soldiers involved? You complain.

    You know, I wouldn't object so much if you weren't so biased and hypocritical in your criticisms.
     
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  3. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    You know, for some reason I would not have considered you as one of those people who thought military interventions were a solution for the emancipation of the savages. Is colonialism contagious?
     
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  5. jmpet Valued Senior Member

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    Iran has the same Islamic, anti-American rhetoric that Iraq did before we changed that public opinion. But Iraq has a nuke. This is like giving a kid $1000 and putting him in a candy store and telling him not to spend any money.

    Iran needs to get with the program- as simple as I can put it. "Death to Israel" is an ineffective foreign policy; "Death to America" is an affront to America.

    Iran is a spoiled brat who needs to be smacked down or needs to wise up quickly to cause and effect. Since 9/11 America no longer has the patience to wait for diplomacy to work things out- and Iran is begging to be made an example of.

    However...

    We must put things in context. Iran is no direct threat to the USA. I would love to see Israel or the Sauds kick some Iranian ass and for once be the aggressor. Wave upon wave of air strikes for months.
     
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  7. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    If Margbar makes you want to see " Wave upon wave of air strikes for months" I hope you never find out what Murdabad means. The level of plain and simple ignorance about other countries in Americans is truly astonishing.

    Death to dictator [oh noes!]

    Death to Islam [Omigawd!]

    Death to Palestine [say what?]
     
  8. Bells Staff Member

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    I am a supporter of military intervention in situations such as what we saw in Rwanda and Kosovo and East Timor.

    As for the war in Afghanistan and Iraq currently, I do not support it. But that lack of support does not mean that I fly into fits of fancy and imagine what I think happened and treat it as fact, even when the evidence points to the contrary. Much like your comments about how they apparently stepped over the bodies and the relatives took the injured to hospital because the Australian soldiers there did not. We know that is not correct.

    My biggest gripe with you Sam is that you are very selective and hypocritical about what you condemn. You don't seem to condemn something simply because it is wrong. You only condemn and criticise it if it supports your world view. For example, you condemn Australian soldiers for killing 5 children, as you should and as we all did. But you don't condemn the hanging of teenage boys in Iran because of their sexuality. Apparently the imperial and colonial Australia is evil, but a regime that actively sets out to hang homosexuals is not. If I were to take your argument at face value, then its only acceptable for a Government to kill if they are killing their own people.

    Lets just say that 9/11 never happened. Lets imagine it never happened. Would you condemn the West if they invaded Afghanistan to fight the Taliban regime for committing gross human rights abuses against Afghans? Or is it acceptable for the Taliban to act as they did because they are Afghans and their victims Afghanis?

    I guess my question is where do you draw the line? When is it acceptable to invade another country? With Afghanistan, we invaded because of 9/11 and because the Taliban were seen to be harbouring OBL. I personally disagree with collective punishment, but yeah, I don't rule.
     
  9. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Clearly, if one does not support military intervention in Afghanistan one is a Taliban supporter. Just as if one does not support the removal of sexually abused children from aboriginal communities, one must be a supporter of pedophiles. Or if one does not support military intervention in Iran one must be a supporter of homosexuals being hanged. In fact, it would seem that in order to demonstrate modern moral standards, there is very little choice but to support the troops as they police the world, your morals and sometimes, your home at dawn.

    Why don't I condemn the Iranians and Afghans? Because clearly, they are now as the west wants them to be. Otherwise, they wouldn't have toppled Mossadegh and armed the mujahideen. And if this is how the west wants them to be, it must be the more moral option.
     
  10. Bells Staff Member

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    Hey, you're the one who claimed that Iran was a role model for the Arab world. Not me.
     
  11. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Well clearly if the Arab world holds Iran as a role model for standing up to US hegemony they all support the stoning of women, killing homosexuals and who knows? Maybe even pedophilia!

    So do you support Australian military intervention in Iran? To save the homosexuals?
     
  12. Bells Staff Member

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    Tell me Sarah Palin, do you really think, in all your grandstanding, that you're making a good point by virtually making light fun of the horror?

    I'll put it this way.. You don't refer to a country that does this as a role model. In any way, shape or form. Iran doesn't stand up to US hegemony. Iran is like US's bitch. It'll bark and whine and scratch at the door. But as soon as the US tweaks the curtain with a rolled up newspaper, it heels. That is Iran in a nutshell.

    You're carrying on like they're heroes. Heroes don't hang children for having sex before marriage or for being homosexual. Now, apparently the West wants them to be this way. In your little world anyway. Do you actually think that it is the US's fault that Iran hangs children for being gay? *Sneer* Really, you sink too low.
     
  13. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    So who is a role model for the Arab world Bells? Do tell.

    Hmm did they do it under Mossadegh? Its called Unintended Consequences. Tell me, what happens to homosexuals in Saudi Arabia?
     
  14. Bells Staff Member

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    Well in your opinion it's Iran. Fine upstanding country that they are.

    No idea.

    The death penalty for homosexuality was brought in after the revolution. This may shed some light over the time frame and how it came to be so hated in Iran.
     
  15. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, I already know that many changes in Iran came in after the revolution. Just like many changes in Afghanistan came about after the war. Why do you suppose these changes came about?
     
  16. Bells Staff Member

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    ** Responding to your Edit **

    So the belief that homosexuals were bad is a consequence of the US's involvment in Iran's politics? Okay then.. We'll leave out the Quranic references often cited by the Iranian clerics to support their desire to kill homosexuals and just blame the US. Much easier that way.

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    Same thing.

    Don't see me calling them role models, do you?
     
  17. Bells Staff Member

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    So you blame the attidue towards women in Afghanistan and even Iran, because of US intervention?

    Okay then..

    Istead of looking at the root of the belief system that breed the attitude towards women, children and homosexuals, we'll just blame the US. So much easier!
     
  18. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    According to your own link...

    Apparently the Iranians had the same tolerance for same sex relations which the Afghans had. So homophobia is a modern western import into these cultures. But I think the reason for the reversal of society in both Iran and Afghanistan in the last 50 years [such a short period of time that seems] is the result of western interference for political gain or financial profit.
     
  19. Bells Staff Member

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    I would say it was a mixture of religious influence and desire for control over the masses and Western interference allowed the theists to take hold and wield their religious teachings as law. It is the complete and utter movement away from secularism that resulted in homosexual children being hung. And yes, Western interference allowed the theists to take power. Something those involved will probably be cursed forever for.
     
  20. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    If Iran actually did something explicitly bad to another country, they would be invaded already. The danger is that they are a dictatorship with ambition. They are guilty of the worst human rights violations to their own people, and at the same time seem to be seeking greater international power through nuclear weapons while maintaining cozy relations with other known hostile states like North Korea. They help terrorists in Iraq, Palestine, and Lebanon, they supplied sophisticated bombs specifically to Iraqi insurgents that used them to target American soldiers. They are an enemy of democracy in their own country and the world.
     
  21. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    So they weren't theists for the thousand years when they were condoning same sex relations?




    But there are already countries who have done everything that people think/fear Iran may do.

    Just like Iraq:
    Are you saying people are more afraid of what they think Iran will do even though it hasn't done anything yet, than they are of what others are already doing or have already done, even though it is much much worse?


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    Oh look a pretty cloud formation, looks just like those white phosphorus trails in Gaza. But this one is over "Taliban positions" in Afghanistan, taken on November 7, 2010

    Is this the sort of thing people are afraid Iran may do?
     
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  22. Gustav Banned Banned

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    oh please
    even thou we refuse to sign the cluster munitions treaty (national security) look at the steps we are taking.....

    WASHINGTON, July 9, 2008 – The Defense Department today announced new standards for cluster bombs to protect civilians and civilian infrastructure from the unintended consequences of unexploded munitions.

    Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates signed the policy that aims to reduce collateral effects of cluster munitions used to pursue legitimate military objectives.

    The new policy is designed to eliminate the number of bomblets dispersed by cluster bombs that don’t explode on impact, explained Air Force Lt. Col. Almarah Belk, a Pentagon spokeswoman. It sets new safety standards that, by 2018, would require 99 percent of all bomblets to explode on contact.

    http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=50455

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/01/opinion/01iht-edcluster.1.13366686.html?_r=1

    ...to safeguard the innocent chilluns

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  23. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Asserting their power militarily? Yes, exactly. Only their motivations and the outcomes would be different, more Islamy, less freedomy.
     

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