Star Wars vs Star Trek

*grins* If you're so certain of yourself, why not take it to the DA then buddy boy? Oh, right, because you know that, just like so many of your supposed claims, nothing will come of it.

Scott: MR JUDGE SIR! Some big mean man online said he was going to thump me upside the head for being stupid!

DA:... well... he has a point... GTFO of my office...

Pretty well sums up what would happen Scott... take it to heart, as I'm sure this isn't the first time your threats and actions were summed up in a simple two sentence lol-fest.

As for why we're not "backing it up" - it's been done. Read the last few hundred pages and it's obvious. If people are too lazy to do that and wish to come in half-cocked, well, that's their fault.

 

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That's already false.

I've given numerous sources from the movie...I've posted images when you have not, pages in the New Jedi Order Series when you merely copied and pasted your claims from the web sites of other debaters.

http://sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1268691&postcount=2910
http://sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1277002&postcount=2990
http://sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1283278&postcount=3016
http://sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1285491&postcount=3041
http://sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1311209&postcount=3260
http://sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1311323&postcount=3261
http://sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1312037&postcount=3273http:
http://sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1313100&postcount=3279
http://sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1359952&postcount=3611
http://sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1459449&postcount=5883

Scott Demands my Math
http://sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1416613&postcount=4383

I give the math and CAD supported projections
http://sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1916614&postcount=12822
http://sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1917394&postcount=12824
http://sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1917431&postcount=12826


SaQ being corrected too.
http://sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1300609&postcount=3198

I would note that Scott ignored the last information provided by CAD projections that offer a direct relationship of firepower of both phaser and Turbolaser by volumetric destruction.

 

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see how frustrating that is..so you can understand why i get so OCD about it..

 

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sound like we have two contenders for a formal debate..kittamer and TW..sorry saquist..you would have an unfair advantage over TW...

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pick one of your questions TW..

pick the one you think you would win TW..

remember the object is not to convince the other person you are right..it is to convince me (since i am not involved in those types of arguments..)
we can do it here if you like or we can do it official by the formal debate thread (if the latter is the case then it won't be me that determines the winner)
if we do it here, i will request the debate be limited to two posts each,
saquist can keep points..

 

I concur it should be Kittamaru.

 

I have one comment though... some of your options aren't questions of opinion or evidence, but rather of fact.

Like, prove hans blaster was blowing torso sized portions out of a wall, or that the Death Star cannot blow up planets - a single photograph can prove (or disprove) those.

Likewise, the final one is up for grabs - going by the classical definition of Sentient, the Federation would instantly win because of:

A) The Borg
B) The Nanite Homeworld (Kavis Alpha IV) from TNG: Evolution which is home to innumerable sentient nanites (yes, sentient microscopic machines... go freaking figure)

You need something a little more objective to be fair

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I think Kitt is right.
This is Star Wars vs Star Trek. So it should simply be to prove or find greater support for superiority.

 

kitt and TW can agree to which question to choose..
i just chose to let TW post the question cause Kitt seems cocky enough to argue any point..

 

*chuckles* my dear lad, it isn't cockiness or any other emotive elation that moves me as I post - merely the knowledge that TW has, up until now, never shown a willingness to admit his own incorrectness, as well as watching him go so far as to outright lie about what he has said despite knowing that we can simply look back at his previous comments.

No, it is not that I am cocky, though I will admit that is one of my more common traits (classic Gemini that I am) - it is merely that past experience has shown TW to be about as much a classy debater as I am the Queen of France.

Though if I had the choice, I personally would take your 4th option, and would likely lead with the following arguments:

We have seen, on multiple occasions, Phasers emit their beam "off axis" in order to hit their target.
We have seen, on multiple occasions, Phaser beams move "off axis" and trace a pattern (such as around a door frame) despite the users hand not moving.
We have seen, on multiple occasions, Phasers emit a far more powerful shot upon impact with a target than they have with impact with a non target, despite no apparent change in settings.

Also, "elite" starfleet officers (such as Riker or even Picard) are not necessarily "elite" sharpshooters (though Picard has been seen on the Holodeck to be quite the marksman). Quite the contrary, they are elite "bridge officers", and to that end are quite skilled in their trade (commanding a starship). Expecting them to be master marksmen makes no more sense than expecting a doctor to be an expert computer technician - just because they utilize computers in their profession does not make them necessarily skilled in their use, much less proficient (my own Doctor, being 83 years old, knows enough about his tablet laptop to enter patient data and that's about it)

 

NEVER under estimate ANYONES ability to avoid statements like 'I am wrong' or I don't know'

 

Oh, it amazes me to no end what insane amounts of energy people will expend in order to try to avoid uttering the simple words "OH, snap, I was wrong".

 

slightest attempt?! damn, grandpa, you really DO need bifocals. Interesting how you PROVE the typical behavior of warsies, with your own, by disregarding entire essays that have been written within this topic.

Oh, and to show how much more idiotic your appeal-to-ridicule and appeal-to-emotion fallacies are: in a court room, it doesn't matter what you KNOW, it's what you can prove. And you, little warsie, would embarass yourself and fail miserably. Like you have here and elsewhere

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I'm afraid all of these "essays" were written by Star Trek fanboys, so you bringing them up is no surprise

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I don't give a shit about you bullying. Your an asshole you belittles others without ever saying anything of substance. You are a sad boy whose been bullied too much at school and now you taking it out on other people. You are a sad sad little man. Pleae shut up. I'm done suger-coating.

 

I'm not bullying, but if you consider that bullying, I'm afraid I am just a no good evil Satanist who eats babies

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I'm afraid that your constant spouting of extraordinary claims that have no extraordinary evidence have no substance either, but what else could one expect?

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Getting into a rage when someone corrects you is a bad habit I'm afraid

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Not sure what you are referring to - unless I'm mistaken, Saquist was referencing the long posts by Illiyad and himself, which have all be masterfully crafted works of both the English language and contemporary Logic, which (of course) means TW Scott has simply ignored them.

 

Don't we already know star trek wins over star wars and that people are to stubborn to see that?

 

That's the general consensus... but some people cling to massively inflated numbers for Star Wars while at the same time pointing to the few minimalist examples of Star Trek firepower and screaming "That's all they got Lol!"... it's... upsetting.

Yes, Star Wars has a production advantage, no doubt. However, that advantage goes *poof* when a volley of Quantum or TriCobalt Torpedoes impact their shipyards and blow them to pieces.

 

also, upon furthur analysis (I just watched all the SW films again - mainly for studying the camera work) Star Wars HAS TOO BE classified as fantasy (that's pretty obvious to you, anyway). And in turn, Star Trek is science. So, no matter how much 'people', like Rice-cake, bully us with appeal-to-emotion fallacies, the truth will never change.

 

you're one to talk, you hypocritical fanatical ass.