Does Chi exist ?

Discussion in 'Eastern Philosophy' started by IndianCurry2010, Nov 8, 2010.

  1. Skeptical Registered Senior Member

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    1. There is no convincing empirical evidence either way.
    2. In spite of a hell of a lot of scientific work to try to detect ghosts, they have not been detected. The highest probability is no.
    3. There have been over 20,000 proper scientific studies on astrology, and the net result is a resounding NO!!
     
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  3. Kennyc Registered Senior Member

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    Wait....what.....does colonoscopy work? or is it just full of chi?
     
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  5. Gremmie "Happiness is a warm gun" Valued Senior Member

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    I think chi is full of chi....Huh...Chi chi's... Those exist, seen a pair once..
     
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  7. woowoo Registered Senior Member

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    if none of these things exist why do so many scientists spend so much
    time looking for them. OM
     
  8. IndianCurry2010 Registered Senior Member

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    Kenny if i was asking whether ghosts existed i would ask this if i wanted to know whether astrology existed i would ask. This thread is devoted to chi i dont understand your reply it makes no sense.

     
  9. IndianCurry2010 Registered Senior Member

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    As humans we have a fear of the unknown we want answers we fear not having answers to what we cant explain.
     
  10. Kennyc Registered Senior Member

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    My point, in case you missed it, is that what you are asking about is in exactly the same classification as those things.
     
  11. IndianCurry2010 Registered Senior Member

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    Thanks for clarifying your point Kenny i see what you mean now.
     
  12. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    Because they make allot of money by keeping those things in the news and stirring the pot with things about them all the time even though those things are not true but only made up bullshit. People will do about anything to make a dollar today and lying about stuff like ghosts and things associated with them earn millions of dollars with movies, TV series and books. There's a sucker born every minute that buys into this crap every minute.

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  13. Skeptical Registered Senior Member

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    I did a study myself looking at astrology. It was to involve a class of students into a bit of scientific research that was pertinent to their own beliefs. The result, of course, was negative. I suspect that most research into astrology is of a similar nature. ie. A demonstration of science at work, rather than any perceived need to once more disprove something that has already been so soundly disproved.

    Research into ghosts is usually a response to some public demand. Like a house that is claimed to be haunted. So in go the researchers, and no - it is not haunted.

    Chi, however, gets little research effort. There is no need. However, various claimed applications of Chi, like acupuncture, are researched into exhaustion. End result is usually indistinguishable from the effect of suggestion.
     
  14. woowoo Registered Senior Member

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    i believe in China acupuncture is used as an anesthetic in surgical
    procedures. if not absolute proof is it not and indication of some kind of effect other than suggestion?

    anyway,i think chi would be better translated as the universal life force,
    something acknowledged in many cultures, to dismiss this entirely
    pays no credit to thousands of years of study and application
    by traditional folk healers the world over. dogmatic empiricism is suggestive
    of ignorance as much as tribal superstition.
     
  15. Skeptical Registered Senior Member

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    The reason that this idea is dismissed is because, in spite of enormous amounts of scientific work, there is precisely no empirical evidence for it.

    Acupuncture as an anaesthetic is kind of a joke. It has been used lots of times as a "supplementary" anaesthetic to "support" pharmaceutical anaesthetics that are also given. For some weird reason, if chemical anaesthetics are not also given, somehow the acupuncture does not seem to work so well. Strange, isn't it?

    Chi is a superstition. It does not exist, except in the minds of the superstitious.
     
  16. Kennyc Registered Senior Member

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    Um, no. If there is no scientific evidence for it's existence it is in exactly the same category as faith healing, ghosts, astrology, etc.
     
  17. woowoo Registered Senior Member

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    if it's not scientific it does not exist, that's the paradigm, that's the problem.
     
  18. Kennyc Registered Senior Member

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    It's not a problem. You are the one claiming this undemonstrable thing exists. :shrug:
     
  19. woowoo Registered Senior Member

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    it has been demonstrated, a system of medicine that has been around
    for thousands of years, however its not part of your belief system so you're
    not willing to endorse it, that's understandable.
     
  20. Kennyc Registered Senior Member

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    No. Chi has not been demonstrated as a real thing. Sure the belief has been around thousands of years, so has belief in ghosts and gods.

    Belief does not demonstrate anything other than that belief.
     
  21. Skeptical Registered Senior Member

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    When President Nixon first went to China, breaking through the bamboo curtain for the first time, he and his entourage were shown an operation done under acupuncture as an anaesthetic. This spawned the widespread belief that acupuncture could be used as an effective anaesthetic.

    Sadly, it was a swindle. Apparently that Great Villain, Mao, wanted to show the west that China had traditional medicines as good as western. Accordingly, he asked for the operation. How they did it was to drug the patient to the eyeballs before the witnesses walked in, and then went through sham acupuncture before doing the operation.

    The problem for Mao is that several of the doctors who were involved, later absconded to the west, to live in the USA. They told the whole story. Whoops!
     
  22. woowoo Registered Senior Member

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    many people believe in the Big Bang and on the strength of that belief
    they build enormous machines that costs billions of dollars, yet no
    one is able to demonstrate that event any time ever.
     
  23. Kennyc Registered Senior Member

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    Off topic, off track but all the scientific evidence points to the need to investigate further and enhance what we do know. In addition there is no expectation that we can know or recreate the big bang. The machines and dollars are spent to further enhance our scientific knowledge of physics and cosmology.

    Totally untrue of Chi.

    No evidence, no proof of Chi exists to warrant further scientific investigation. The scientific investigation that has has been done shows that it does not exist. It's a fabrication, a belief nothing more.
     

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