Fire Fighters Refuse to Fight Fire, Homeowners Forgot to Pay Fee

No. Not this time.

Where do you get off?

He'd always paid the $75 in years previous according to the article. It's just this last time, he hadn't.

How do you justify the claim that he's a cheater and a Lazy Bum?!
He had failed to pay a NOMINAL fee, so- He offered to account for it. He didn't ask them to do it for free. He offered to pay Whatever they said.

You might want to read the article before you blatantly attack a complete strangers character.

 

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No its quite obvious that military is just a tool used by leaders- and the military is happy to oblige. There are only very few who have the courage to reject orders.

Isn't that great?

I'm not saying that they don't. I respect the military for this. But this still doesn't explain why they have to be dumbasses and follow orders and get into a war even if they believe it is unjust and unAmerican and not to mention unconstitutional. Of course if they were robotic idiots- that explains it all.

Well questioning and then following orders like slaves is still the same. The chain of command are warloving asholes, and you're the pawns... It doesn't matter how much you 'question' them if they give an order you follow it- that is also part of the DUTY - FOLLOWING ORDERS.

Who gives a rats ass about the creed- you also swore to protect the Constitution- going to unconstitutional wars doesn't fit the bill.

Peace be unto you

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actually My county has a fire department but that might be a benefit of the slightly higher taxes we pay that people like you hate.


incidently the county had a Fire department for 22 years at least on the law they never funded it so much for the moral majority

 

You really need to learn that there are times when a wise man stays silent.

I noticed a long time ago from your posts that you are an Unrelenting fool-- You will never back down from your proud little ideas, no matter how much someone demonstrates your error. You will just smirk and try to outwit them with comebacks.

If I were to Properly hit the report button, instead of flying off the handle against you-- You doubtless would claim that referring to military personnel as you had was simply you expressing your opinion.

Well, I'm expressing mine: You're a worthless piece of shit. You post arrogantly when speaking of your beliefs. You adopt a condescending tone when others disagree. You never display grace or honor or humility. You just sit up high and shove your posts on the board as if they were rose scented excrement.

Stop debating this off topic crap of yours with me. Just shut up and go do whatever it is that you do when you're not excreting on the forum for a while.

 

What I noticed about you, is that you're too emotional about the topics and can't think about different concepts- like with the discussion on evolution.

Its relevent. It shows how fricking f'ed up our system is that has to do stuff to the t... otherwise there is the option of getting sued. If someone is in a car accident people are scared to help out because if they move them and later its found that an injury occurred- they could be sued.... that is our system.

Peace be unto you

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On your blatant insult- that topic-- Yes, I am too emotional.
I've BEEN THERE and I must live with it so you can fuck off if you don't like my emotional nature on it.

But not on this one. On this one I get frustrated when people spew out misconceptions about Evolution left and right and refuse to examine their own absurd statements.
I find willful or chosen ignorance very annoying.

Although I agree with this statement as a Whole-- It was not a statement that is relevant to your generalized attack and abusive insult on a group of people.
You expressed that opinion ignorantly. You didn't stop to think before you spewed.

 

I think I need to step out of this thread and calm down. My own hypocrisy is galling ME, even, and I shouldn't be posting when so hot headed.

I think the thread should be gotten back on topic.

 

The event was one of astounding assholery. Scum. The firefighters should have been ashamed.

 

a sense of duty is usualy only found in the best of men

 

The lazy piece of crap remark was for the artistic welfare recipient. This guy just didn’t pay his bills. You might want to read the post before you blatantly attack a complete stranger's character.

I didn’t say that I personally wouldn’t have helped him. This condescending little fuck would give you the shirt off her back. However, I can see the departments point of view.

This issue has nothing to do with out of town visitors. It’s a protection fee, which you have to subscribe. Otherwise, there would be no incentive to pay. I’m sure it costs a lot more than $75 to respond. Of course, he’s going to say he forgot. There could even be some type of emergency response personnel insurance policy, which could put the department at risk, if they didn’t have an obligation to fight the fire.

His statement reads like he knew that he hadn’t paid. I don’t think my insurance company would buy it, if I told them I had just forgotten, even if I had. I agree that it’s sad but people are already taking up a collection for him. I bet you that he’ll come out ahead. When this is all said and done, he’ll probably have enough money to pay next years fee, and just maybe, he will have learned a lesson. Maybe, next time he'll pay his bills...:mufc:

“Anybody that’s not in the city of South Fulton, it’s a service we offer, either they accept it or they don’t,” Mayor David Crocker said.

“South Fulton's mayor said that the fire department can't let homeowners pay the fee on the spot, because the only people who would pay would be those whose homes are on fire.”

 

This has nothing to do with limited government and tax issues.

The taxes the CITY residents pay to the CITY buy and staff the firefighters and trucks that protect the city.

The CITY can't tax the County residents, so there is no County tax revenue to support the costs of maintining the fire dept.

But the City govt was mindful that the County residents didn't have adequate fire protection and thus offered them what seemed a reasonable solution.

County residents would simply pay $75 per year and you would get covered by the City Fireman and their expensive equipment.

BUT if you don't pay then you are not covered. If your house catches on fire then you have to put it out yourself.

Now this $75 is NOT a pay to put out a fire fee, it's clearly based on most residents paying the fee to cover the costs, because the actual cost to put out a fire is FAR higher than $75, but not that many people who pay the fee will actually need the service.

Thus its really more in line with an Insurance policy.

And I know of no insurance policy that allows you to buy a policy after the incident and expect it to be covered.

Why?

Well if you do that, then next year, technically all the County Residents could stop paying the $75, and then when they had a fire, simply pay the $75.

The difference is that $75 per fire would NOT cover the much higher costs the City would incur to put the fires out.

It's the exact same reason that Universal Health Care that allows pre-existing conditions only works if everyone is forced to buy insurance. Otherwise people wouldn't pay for insurance until they get sick.

The City should have never let itself get into this kind of Moral dilemma by dealing with individual residents. They should have offered it to the County on a annual basis (say $60 per resident (it would be less per person since you are getting 100% particpation), and let the County gov come up with the money however they wanted to. Have bake sales, what ever, or go without entirely, but Fireman shouldn't be put in the position of checking a directory of names to see if they can turn on the hoses.

Arthur

 

So excellently put as usual, Arthur...

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Thanks,
See if you still agree with an edit I made after your post
Arthur

ps I got a good chuckle over your deft handling of that jerk.

 

Noted and apologies.
The way the post had read, it seemed directed at the man whose house burned down.

 

Assuming what you said is true....why does the county not make arrangements to provide fire coverage for this area? And does this limitation of coverage also apply to medical emergencies?

It is a screwball way of running a government. I have lived in various states around this country and city, county, townships and states have always worked together to make sure that issues like fire and other emergency services are covered.

Citizens should not have be worry about jumping through additional hoops to make sure they have fire coverage or any other coverage for that matter.

If it is an insurance policy, is it registered with the state as an insurance provider?

As previously stated, the city should be negotitating with the county and not individuals in the county for such services.

The whole set up here is screwy. When an emergency occurs, first responders like fire should be focused on rescuing individuals and putting out the fire. And the city is setting itself up for lawsuits. What would have happened if their had been lives at stake?

The city does have a right to collect revenues to pay for its expenses. However, the city nor any other citizen has the right to let people die because someone did not pay a fee.

It is true some people will try to game the system. But good government accounts for that and plans for that. The solution is not to go back to the dark ages because there is a bump in the road.

That is a better solution than the one they rendered. The problem is they have a real screwy system of government. Thank God, the rest of the country is not so backward. And most other city and county governments manage to work together to provide basic emergency services from tax money versus a fee based system. If someone from the outside moved into the county how would they know they have to pay a fire coverage fee to the city? The setup here is just plane stupid and backward.

 

But it DID allow itself into that dilemma and it handled it very poorly.

And you defeat your own argument with it.

Should the city have granted the man his exception, taken the $75 on the spot (Something any city marshal should be able to do) and put the fire out- They could have re-evaluated the method of billing after as you suggest in order to Prevent This Problem in the Future.

 

Exactly, this was very poorly thought out by the city.