Generally, purposefully burning copies of books is needlessly painful or offensive to those who love the books, but after reading some of the comments by the Muslim posters, I can see where occasionally burning a Quran, in public, might be a good idea; on the same grounds that the Dutch have for making sure that immigrants from Muslim countries are comfortable with the fact of naked women running around on the beaches by showing them pictures, or my local airport makes sure that all the Muslim cabdrivers are willing to accept guide dogs and people carrying alcohol as passengers.
Definitely considering burning the Koran after this fiasco. Fuck Islam. Also the Bible, the gita and every other fucking anachronism people take way to seriously, I'm so sick of this fucking superstitious bullshit. It's time to call these fuckers out on their hypocrisies.
I think that would be an awesome event. No hoopla...no "i'm GOING TO DO IT" I'm GOING TO. You just go in the middle of your town square and fucking burn a whole pile of em. Suddenly, without warning and then watch the world go fuckin berserk. NOW that's a good way to GO out with a MESSAGE of FUCK YOU. I wish one of these suicide gunmen would do that instead of killing a bunch of innocent students. Or maybe...atheism's(dare I say a true "Secularism"), first "evil" martyr.
I decided to burn some American flags last week, but I couldn't find any. So I burned the only capitalist running-dog symbol I could find, my house. Goddam those hypocrites at the bank, I say. And yes, despite the cold at nights, I feel better now.
And that accomplishes what? And creates progress towards what goal by causing what? Lets assume the worst of Islam for a moment and see if Quran burning makes sense under those conditions. Let's suppose that Satan existed and Mohammed was his servant. Lets assume that most Muslims passionately want to convert all non Muslims and want to kill all non Muslims who will not convert. Lets assume everybody who does not except Jesus as their savior displeases god and will bur forever in hell in unimaginable agony. Now under those conditions does the Quran burning help anything? 1: Does it persuade Muslims to abandon Islam? 2: Doest it stop non Muslims from converting to Islam? 3: Does it help non Muslims who doubt that Muslims are so bad to see the critics of Islam as being wise people who should be listened to and respected? 4: Does it make non-Muslims safer from Muslim attack? Is it counterproductive towards the four goals above that I would expect anti-Muslims to have? I think it is counterproductive towards all four goals. What the hell is the point of Quran burning. What the hell is the point of banning a mosque near ground zero? I am left with two choices, thinking a whole bunch of Americans are too stupid to figure out the obviousness of what I said above for themselves or thinking that a whole bunch of people just want to express hatred and Muslims happen to be the acceptable hate object of the day.
I think the purpose is that no one should hold sacred what you don't hold sacred. I read somewhere that native Americans held their grave sites as sacred. How did they stop doing that? That is the same ideology behind those who want to burn the Quran. I read somewhere that there are people who go to Uluru and crap on the hillside because it is a sacred site. What do you suppose is the purpose of that? They must know the place is sacred to natives. How would the same people react if the natives started crapping in their churches?
Some people do not care. It is very sacred to the Indigenous Australians of that region and they virtually own it and can allow and disallow anyone on or near it. And as a result of some tourists (Australian and non-Australian alike) who desecrated the site, they have requested that no one climbs it and to my knowledge, people respect their requests. What put the nail in the coffin of the Uluru climb was some tourist to the country who decided to do a striptease on it and film herself doing it. Then a TV personality, known to be a retard on TV and off, took photos of himself hitting golf balls off the rock. Since then, the Government has apparently started drafting plans into banning all from climbing it as well. The Anangu people do not climb it at all due to the significance of the site to their culture. It is also my understanding that some areas are not allowed to be photographed. Although I am not overly sure of that. Natives are also people. And if people decided to take a dump in a church, then it would be cleaned up and the shitters arrested for trespassing on private property. At the end of the day, the "Church" did not burn the Quran, but they did get quite a bit of publicity out of the whole thing. I am sure the right wing bigoted nutbags will be flocking there now to hear what they want to hear. But this whole debate has brought up some interesting issues. If we go into a bookstore and buy a copy of the Bible and Quran for a few dollars each, are those books suddenly sacred artifacts to be cherished? A Queensland lawyer and self proclaimed atheist decided to test this out by going out and getting a copy of each book and then using the pages from each to determine which made the best paper to burn a cigarette/joint/lawn clippings (he has stated he was using lawn clippings in the youtube video). The reaction to his stunt was telling: As a result of his joke, he may now also be dismissed by his employer (Queensland University of Technology). In the words of the smoker: But people will be offended and he knew that. That was probably why he did it. But is he correct? Is it the book that matters or your own personal beliefs? Is a $5 Bible a sacred book or text? Should it be venerated?
so ahh after the temples, synagogues, mosques and churches are razed to the ground, after all holy books are burned, (save a few copies for the library of congress) the floundering and lost theists will be shipped off to siberia to the gulags for reeducation cos we care
Hmm, maybe burning could be good after all. What if 20 people each took to Ground Zero, copies of the Quaran, at he Bible, the Torah, the Gita, Photos of Bush, Obama, the Pope, Billy Graham, Mother Teresa, MLK and Bill Gates, a Virgin Mary statue, a $100 bill and the Israeli, Iranian and American Flags and they each burned one set of them all together?. What would the reaction be? What
the Quaran, the Bible Virgin Mary statue for those, a fundie riot the rest, statements/yawn/chuckle/who?
hmmm catholics dont do pitchforks no more so strike the virgin out what happened to sinead when she tore the popes pic?
. a simple one question. why do you have a complexe in your selves? do you have the complexe of need? or maybe, you didnt have milk when you were babies? what? why you have many complexes?
Why stop there? I mean, are books an easier target because they can be reproduced? Why not burn down entire libraries and prove that no book has any value in itself? Where would you like to start making "things" less sacred? Shall we bring down the Washington monument? The Holocaust museums? The pyramids of Giza? The statue of the Jain Tirthankars son? What is too sacred to be reduced to a lesson? Were the Taliban right to reduce the Buddha statues to rubble to demonstrate their lack of intrinsic value after all? Perhaps we could have a Crap-on-Uluru day so people know that its taking things too seriously to object to people shitting on the "sacred" ground. What do you think? Will it teach the native Aboriginals to take things less seriously?
Back in the Vietnam war days American anti-war protesters burning the US flag used to drive the super patriots into insane hysteria. You don't think US flag burning has any emotional power left? I love MLK but don't you think burning an MLK photo could drive some people to hysterics?
