Star Wars vs Star Trek

Yes, yes he is.

 

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Because he isn't a moron? He uses physics and numbers in his posts?

Okay, having millions of flies eat away at me is worse than Mercury that I can poke with my finger and not die!

 

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He is a moron, because he tries to cherry-pick his "evidence" and use things completely out of context in a pitiful attempt to paint Trek in as weak a light as possible. And even then, he's FAILING miserably!

And you fail to grasp what Mercury Poisoning is:

The reason The Mad Hatter is so called is because, back in "the day", Hatters, or those who made custom hats, used Mercury based dies. As they often wore the hats and/or materials used to make the hats on their body, this mercury would, over time, seep into their body. As the toxin built up, they would slowly go crazy, hence the phrase "Mad as a Hatter".

 

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Why don't you argue with him then? It's not that hard. As for Mercury, I've poked that a lot before without anything happening to me.

 

*facepalm*

Do you understand at all how your body works?

Your skin is your FIRST, and BEST, line of defense. it is a selectively-permeable membrane, able to allow water (sweat) and air in and out, without letting other things through. Over time, though, some stuff can "leak" through - sustained contact with Mercury can be one of those times.

Commonly, though, mercury poisoning occurs from intoxicated fish (fish that have substantial amounts of mercury in their flesh).

I mean holy shit batman... you cannot possibly be THIS stupid, so I'm simply going to assume you are flamebaiting.

As for why I won't argue with L-W - as I already said, only a fool argues with a fool. Especially when the "fool" in question is spouting the nonsense he is - if I could, I'd have him committed, as his logical facilities are evidently lacking.

 

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Is that why he uses proof, numbers, and logic? He doesn't say Borg can beat Necrons, does he? Because he's not CRAZY. You just know you can't beat him in a debate, because he's too smart for you.

 

His "proof" is taken out of context - I could prove you are a woman because you have Estrogen in your body and Mammary Glands, even though they are non-functional.

He's not "too smart" for me - he's "too stubborn", as in, even IF I presented the real evidence to him, he would, just like you, ignore it and simply SCREAM LOUDER.

It's tactics like that that screw up the US Democracy - the loudest voices are being heard, not necessarily the RIGHT voices.

 

Just do it.

 

What does someone else debating on another site have anything to do with the discussion here? If I had all day to spend on this stuff, I would probably go over and take a look at his position and arguments, but I don't so let's drop this red herring and get back to the discussion at hand, shall we? Unless you're linking to L-W's posts for the sake of convenience or for reference (i.e. as I might reference the math and measurements done in this thread), I couldn't care less if L-W was a mindless idiot or the next Einstein.

 

Wow... Rice, check this out!

 

Damn that's a lot of evidence...

as to his quip about the borg scout ship:

Holy shit... no wonder he didn't want to use that - it would result in energy outputs in the... well, in the utterly crazy range.

 

lol Yeah, RV tends to prefer fair but conservative calculations. He won't bend over backwards to get a low figure, but he usually leans towards running with figures from the lower end of the range his calculations produce.


To get an idea of how conservative he was being in this case, if he went with the 2.5 million kg/m^3 figure and a 120 MJ/kg vaporization figure from the Lantree, that would result in a DET vaporization requirement of 11,491,698 terajoules, or 11.49 exajoules, and a total effective yield against unhardened targets of 15,111,582,870 terajoules, or 15.11 yottajoules. To match that firepower with a photon torpedo, you would need a warhead yield of ~2.75 gigatons just for the DET effects, and 3,616.25 gigatons for the full effect against unhardened targets. Actually, much higher than even that unless you follow the theory that Trek torpedoes have shield generators that they use to confine and focus the blast into a narrow area/cone (a shaped charge using forcefields) to maximize target damage and minimize collateral damage, since with an impact detonation, only about half the energy at most will hit the target without a shaped charge.

 

Boo.

 

Well, WH40K is a bit off-topic for a STvSW debate, but a couple quick points won't hurt, I suppose.

First, the lasgun estimates. 1.2 MJ to rip a man's chest to bloody ruin? Umm... A .50 caliber bullet has a kinetic energy of 15.5 - 20.2 kilojoules, depending the round and the gun. 20 .50 caliber rounds is enough to cut a big man in full body armor in half. Unless this guy is wearing some kind of armor, 20 rounds from a 140 gr FMJ 9x19mm Parabellum round, with a kinetic energy of 419 J each, would be MORE than enough to leave a man's chest "in a bloody ruin."

EDIT: In other words, the only thing the lasgun demonstrates here that cannot be matched by a Glock 18C 9mm machine pistol is magazine capacity.


Second, assuming that an enraged man with a laser gun screaming that he will incinerate someone's brain means that he will literally incinerate the entire brain is equitable to assuming that an enraged 1930s mobster with a Thompson submachinegun screaming "I'm gonna pump you fulla lead!" means that the gangster will literally completely fill his victim's body with lead.

EDIT: If you want to take that statement that literally, you cannot discard the reference to a "little brain", and should therefore base your calculations on the assumption that the victim has Microcephaly

 

Right... ship weapons are like... two to three OoM stronger than Star Trek weapons.

 

Wait, do you have any time to argue with L-W?

 

Technically, yes, I could find the time to argue with L-W, but that would mean I would have to take time away from the myriad other things that I need and want to do (work, laundry, dishes, housecleaning, the book I'm writing, the books I'm reading, games, movies, other debates and discussions, etc.), most of which I rate with much higher priority or desire than arguing with L-W.

I allot my time in this thread to debate Star Trek vs Star Wars, not debate somebody else on another forum on another subject. If L-W wants to come here and debate ST vs SW, that's fine, but I'm not going to put any effort into debating him elsewhere on other subjects, because I don't have enough desire to to warrant allocating what limited time I have available to the activity.


EDIT: Though, if L-W could make some significant contributions to my efforts to figure out how phasers and disruptors fuck with bosons, that would certainly reorder my priorities.

 

Well, this board isn't very lively, so debating here doesn't get you very far, does it? It takes up to maybe an eternity for a response, so why not debate on an active board where you will be noticed? To top off what I said, most people here just agree with people if those people are arguing for their universe, regardless of what they're saying is not true, but not at Factpile.

 

Ah, but it's lively enough for my tastes. Perhaps when work slows down and I'm not working 7 days a week again (huzzah for co-worker back injuries...), but for now this is fine for the time I have to put into it. Or it would be, if you'd get around to responding to my points on the main topic. } ; = 8 P

 

Star Trek uses kiloton torpedoes, so is this is a Bolo Stomp?