Israeli right winger endorses one state solution!

7% of the population. The 30% was after immigration from Europe increased in the early 1900s.

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http://israelipalestinian.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000636

History doesn't begin in 1948

 

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But Partition does.

 

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It doesn't actually - when were the borders decided? Where are they? Who accepted them?

 

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I would have presumed at Partition. Not so?

 

Feel free at any time to demonstrate it.

 

Well, I'll stick with my assumption until otherwise. I think this is the a priori position, no?

 

No its not actually, hence this discussion on the one state solution.

 

All right: so what are the borders you're referring to? On what basis were they selected?

 

There are no borders Geoff. This is why there is no state of Palestine. There is only Israel and the gradually reducing occupied territories moving toward the inevitable one state.

 

So there were no borders decided at Partition? This is a bit harder to believe. Or are you saying there are no moral borders? Or just that the borders weren't agree to by Palestinians?

Anyway, this is kind of getting off the point we had back there - someone said "30%" and you said "sure, in 1948" and I said "well, yes, but that's when Partition was" and then we got here somehow. I understand I'm a senseless reactionary, of course, but it would be helpful to know whether you mean the entire thing morally.

 

I believe the inhabitants were not involved in the partition at all, and neither side accepted the borders imposed upon them, if immigrant Jews can be considered a side against 90% of local inhabitants

The point is that we are discussing the state of natives of Palestine [all religions] and what constituted partition of their land, and whether it was acceptable to the people living there - whether it has ever been accepted and if not, then what is the future of such a state?

 

Careful, we'll sound radical: Palestine- Dead; Long Live Palestine.

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Sam is failing to use the English language because she thinks it makes for dramatic effect. She's wrong. Yes, there were borders - despite the borders being drawn without the foresight of Jewish or Muslim inhabitants.

What is this Palestine you keep speaking of? They are not a people....did they magically become a native people somewhere between the Ottomans and the British?

We can actually agree on this.

 

Good.

 

palestine refers to the land palestinian refers to the people. I know its hard to keep these things straight when your to busy pushing bigoted notions that have zero basis in facts but you should still try.

 

No, I think he should lay the zionists' burden down right now.

 

Cheski must be annihilated in the Crucible of Palestinian Justice. Fiend!

 

Give me a minute to catch up. My crucible is stone cold & cracked, and lost somewhere ( I think I was throwing it at you) but welcome back. Good thing, there are lots of quick-heat Israeli ones around.

 

John Mearshimer in The American Conservative:

Where are the American "liberals" on this issue?

" The bottom line is that Israel will not be able to maintain itself as an apartheid state over the long term because it will not be able to depend on the American Jewish community to defend such a reprehensible political order."

 

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(was trying to sneak up from behind). Haven't even read your post closely yet. Anyway, I'm right here :bugeye:

& welcome back!:bagpuss: