Will the real Jesus please stand up?

What isn't?
It's much as any written piece: it MUST be constructed, so that it makes sense.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/construct

 

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Your either thick or a liar or both.

One more time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus

And that is me out of here.

Farewell.

 

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:facepalm:
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It's generally a mistake to go by hearsay on matters of controversy. The long passage about Jesus in Josephus was universally considered an interpolation (not the same as a forgery) a century ago. But times change, and the general view today among scholars is that it is genuine but corrupt, although some still believe it is interpolated. How corrupt is a matter of opinion. The short passage was always considered genuine, even a century ago, except by the occasional scholar.

References:

1. H. St. J. Thackeray, Josephus: The Man and the Historian (New York: Jewish Institute of Religion/Ktav, 1929).

2. Louis H. Feldman, Josephus and Modern Scholarship, (New York: de Gruyter, 1984)

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I notice this is a list of books about the subject in general, with no specific references. Treat this as highly likely to be special pleading, unless you have verified each. The lack of page numbers is the revealing bit. The author seeks to give the impression that all these denounce the passage as forged. I rather doubt that any do.

Quite a long life, that!

But Gauvin has no claim to be heard. He wasn't a Josephus scholar.

Were Eusebius and Gauvin alive, Gauvin would have had to pay Eusebius punitive damages for the libel.

Gauvin also betrays his lack of education by arguing that a passage only referenced by Eusebius must be a fake. But Eusebius' works are patchworks of quotations, which stand up very well where we can verify them, and give us riches of lost philosophers in other cases. 99% of ancient literature is lost. Only two writers now extant show any knowledge of Josephus Antiquities books 11-20. Arguing from a silence is always risky, and in this case insane.

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I don't know why this is an article; it looks like a very old book, probably full of hearsay.

Be sceptical. Whether Christianity is true or not, the Christ-myth stuff is a punishment wreaked on those too ill-educated to see the absurdity and too foolish to acquire an education.

All the best,

Roger Pearse

 

An unfortunate comment from someone repeating, unchecked, hearsay off the web.

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Only a conformist would demand people think for themselves in the exact words dictated to them by others.

 

Why is this directed to me?

Thanks

 

Whoa, hold your tougue man. Them are fighting words :fight: . Haiku is no more a word game than a limerick is. It is classified as one of the 51 types of poetry ( http://www.poemofquotes.com/articles/poetry_forms.php ). Granted, it may not be Allen Ginsberg's or John Ashbery's chosen style but it is still poetry. Traditionally it is written in the present tense and has at least one reference to a specified time of year known as a "season word" (ripening, die, bloom, harvest, ...) but these requirements are often overlooked in the West. What you presented as examples of haiku lack in all of these and amount to nothing more than krap (no offence intended). I find your post to be ripe with irony. First you state that:

Then you go on to say that haiku is nothing but a word game. How is this no suppose to be taken as "tolling" or "flaming"? I can understand if you have no respect for this form of poetry but that does not give you the right to redefine what poetry is! You should know this seeing as you are also the Arts and Culture moderator :scratchin: .
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P.S. My current emotional state should be taken more as sarcasm than anger. :thumbsup: I just felt the need to say something.

 

The perfect human
never existed before
poetry made one.

 

Correct. They ALL are "word games".

Any form of writing (other than maybe a government/ scientific report [and you could also make a case for those]) is a word game in that each and every word is chosen for its effect, nuances and connotations.
Poetry particularly is a "game" (with rules, and Haiku's rules are basic but strict).
Don't you think that whatever is said in a poem could be stated more concisely, (maybe more clearly) and with considerably less effort if it were delivered as dry, factual prose?
But where's the fun in that?

A poem is designed to make you think in a particular way about something - it plays with words, with preconceptions and with language itself. (And, incidentally, shows the writer to be fairly smart - "Hey I wish I could have said it like that!").
Is that not a game?

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How many of these definitions can be applied to the construction of Haiku?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/netdict/game

 

Agreed, I probably meant precise and with fewer nuances and possible meanings.

Inscrutable?

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Read a master:

e e cuumings.

 

Nicely articulated Dy. Man, "I wish I could have said it like that!"

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M*W: Okay, can we get back on the on the original thread? Let's discuss sun god worship in ancient religions/myths:

http://www.askwhy.co.uk/judaism/0030SunGods.php

 

perhaps a readers digest version from you would help..as i dont wanna spend my time reading all that..

 

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M*W: If I had a version I would post it. I don't want to get into anything too long and complicated, but to add just enough to browse and think about.

 

:bugeye:

have you read it?
or are you just posting whatever the search engine found?
if you can't simplify it to gain interest,i don't want to click unless i have a reason to...

so how long have you been in this Anti-Christ mood?