Controversial AZ Immigration Bill is now Law

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  1. rpenner Fully Wired Valued Senior Member

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  3. clusteringflux Version 1. OH! Valued Senior Member

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    Actually the bill does go into some specifics in this area. Highway solicitation was what was cited by name as suspicious and illegal activity that warrant police intervention.

    Even if they wanted to, they simply don't have the resources to question every brown person in Arizona. Besides, even white people are brown down there.

    But, if I knew that 90% of my neighborhood was illegal, I'd prolly be lookin for a new neighborhood about now.
     
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  5. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    "Highway solicitation?" Does that mean hitch hiking?

    They don't need to - the fact of the law and a few demonstrations of willingness to use it will be sufficient to cleave the illegals from the police, leaving them as prey for the exploitative and criminals. Marginalized communities that will not go to the police provide excellent environments for the development of criminal gangs, by the way.

    Obviously you aren't familiar with Arizona. There's plenty of super-pasty blond white people there, which no amount of sun would ever turn "brown." Not that they get so much sun - people in Arizona (especially the highly populated parts) spend most of their time indoors, where there is air conditioning.

    And not that any cop in Arizona has the slightest difficulty in distinguishing a tan white person from a Mexican, in the first place.

    That's already happened in Arizona. There's a considerable level of de facto segregation between white people and others in Arizona. That's why they'd even countenance such a law to begin with: it won't really affect the communities where the white people live. Instead, it amounts to sending the cops into brown neighborhoods to hunt out people that aren't "real Americans."
     
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  7. soullust Registered Senior Member

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    California, Is only using this as an excuse, to put um, it's hard to explain something like a tariff on a neighbor to try and keep wealth at home. (there state). Kind of unconstitutional, but they got a loop hole to get around it.

    Just my 2 cents.
     
  8. clusteringflux Version 1. OH! Valued Senior Member

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    Quadraphonics,
    Ok, so I went back and read all of your posts in this thread to try and figure out what point you're trying to make. I'm not all that bright but it's a little unclear to me..At one point you seem to argue that some illegals are more american than some people born here.

    Are you volunteering to make that distinction for us?
    Remember though, it has to be equal across all skin colors. Get back to us with that list perhaps and we'll pass a new law that other people like you don't intend support the enforcement of.
    Or we can simply enforce the laws that already exist.
     
  9. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    That would be under the criteria that my interlocutors use for judging the worth of national social expenditures in other context (i.e, "laziness").

    But I'd think it fairly obvious that people who leave their homes at considerable personal risk and expense in order to come to America, work hard, and make a good life for their families is displaying a rather high baseline level of enthusiasm for the American national project - above and beyond what we see from many quarters of the actual citizenry, in point of fact. Why wouldn't we want more people like that joining our nation?

    How about we come up with a progressive, enforceable set of laws that addresses our issues in a rational, responsible way, and avoids various ills like racism, labor exploitation, etc. - in both intent and in effect.
     
  10. CutsieMarie89 Zen Registered Senior Member

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    What's California doing?
     
  11. soullust Registered Senior Member

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  12. soullust Registered Senior Member

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    California has no damn right to interfere with another states law, It's unconstitutional, and is wrong?

    Besides what do they have to fear From it(California), un-less there doing something illegal and this worries them that they may get caught.
     
  13. CutsieMarie89 Zen Registered Senior Member

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    It's unconstitutional to boycott something?
     
  14. soullust Registered Senior Member

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    No ,it isn't when it is just a single product, item,but to to threaten complete business boycotts on a neighbor state who is in your country, Yes It is. you don't shut down Economic connections with an area because of something like this, esp when there part of your country, It is completely wrong!

    And foolish.
     
  15. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    No it isn't. There is nothing in the US Constitution requiring businesses and government entities in California to choose to do business with those in Arizona.

    And California has boycotted Arizona like this before, when they were refusing to recognize MLK Day - they lost 130 conventions and a Superbowl, at an estimated cost to Arizona of hundreds of millions of dollars.

    This boycott is probably unnecessary - all this stuff about crackdowns on illegal immigrants is just election-year stuff to encourage poor and middle class white people to vote Republican (see also the red meat regularly thrown to the religious right in election years - when your party represents the interests of plutocrats, it has to do things like this to drum up the reactionary vote).
     
  16. soullust Registered Senior Member

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    Well, you know what I hope Arizona does Scrape it then and make it Legal, Lets see how California Deals with More illegal immigrants sitting on there border with a state that just don't give a shit.

    I mean there should Be no problem If Arizona just starves illegal immigrants out, they can go next door to California?:shrug:

    You Think They would want, these people removed ?
     
  17. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    We wouldn't even notice - the number of illegal immigrants already in California works out to like 60% of the entire population of Arizona.

    I, for one, would happily agree to take all of Arizona's illegals, if in exchange all of the white residents of Arizona would agree to never come to California again. I'm sick of them clogging up my freeways with their slow, inattentive driving; my beaches with their fat, meathead kids; and my bars and restaurants with their dipshit fratboys and cloistered suburban shitheads. They are the worst state of all time, and the fact that a giant flaming meteor has not yet cleansed Phoenix from the face of the Earth is definitive proof that, if God exists, he is unjust.
     
  18. PieAreSquared Woo is resistant to reason Registered Senior Member

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    I understand that Cali is going to have the Arizona Embassy closed
     
  19. soullust Registered Senior Member

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    Damn, You must really like helping People out at your own expense?

    I mean, you don't even have enough water to support all your people now.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/12/23/60minutes/main6014897.shtml
     
  20. Echo3Romeo One man wolfpack Registered Senior Member

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    hahahaha

    Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
     
  21. John99 Banned Banned

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    The best thing is for an international monetary fund for for illegal immigrants.
     
  22. soullust Registered Senior Member

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    The best thing for them is for Government to get more strict, and get them the fuck out, Mexico is doing much better these days, Thanks to free trade, The People should sent home by what ever means necessary, and apply like everyone else. And if California don't want to trade with them because of this.

    Then I think Arizona shouldn't care that they are getting into there state, And the state government should just enforce laws on companies, stating if there caught employing none Americans or green card holders, then Face huge fines.(starve them out)

    Arizona Only wants to protect it's American Population, and If they Can defend there job's with a state law they should be able too.

    The 90210 land probally are just wanting cheap labored goods supplied by slave Immigrants.
     
  23. John99 Banned Banned

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    What slave immigrants? Slaves do not willingly go to another country or get paid so saying that is not even close to truth.

    whoops. i meant to say the above but posted in the wrong thread.
     
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