So Now That We Understand Anarchy A Bit More

I get the feeling that like most so called modern "Anarchists", Psycho Bound wants to be Tyler Durden. Yeah It's a cool movie, doesn't mean you have to base your political beliefs around it.

 

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i dont even know who that is

 

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What's the point of wanting Anarchy when there's no such thing? Anarchy is a transitional government, not a permanent one. Always has been, always will be. When an established regime collapses, Anarchy prevails for a short while until somebody establishes a new system.

But you know what? I'm going to humor you for a moment. Suppose you DO have some sort of Utopian Anarchy where everybody gets along smoking reefer every night around a camp fire telling stories. What if some OTHER society/country decides that it wants the natural resources on your land? How are you going to prevent them from simply coming and raping your land of it's bounties? Technically speaking, nobody OWNS those resources... there are no laws dictating rights of ownership. They could if they wanted to, simply move on in, enslave your people, and have them "work the mines".

How would a society of Anarchists defend themselves from invasion? There is no government to warn or direct them, no professional armed forces, no militia... such a society would effectively be defenseless. Even if everybody was armed and well versed with their weapon, the defense effort would likely be uncoordinated and sloppy.

 

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please, allow me to restate this AGAIN The Political Ideology of Anarchist DOES NOT mean complete destruction of all government in an area. When speaking about formal or federal government, it does in a way. But their would still be a military, only it would be more like a militia.
Please, get it out of your minds that Anarchist believe in complete destruction of government.

As for your statement about it being a transitional government, it has only shown itself that way in history. Because theres never been a completely pure or successful Anarchist area, it may seem that way. But the form of Anarchy that taken on nowadays was more defined and invented in the Mid to Late 1970's. Theres been no large, developed nation to attempt this form of government since then.

 

But if that's the case, the political ideology of Anarchists is that Anarchy isn't a suitable system of government. The system of government YOU are describing more closely resembles a very strict level of Libertarianism than anything else. Why don't you just save yourself the grief and aggravation, and simply call it what it is, instead of trying so desperately to redefine "Anarchy"?

Here's a good analogy: The way you are describing what you refer to as "Anarchy" is like Richard Dawkins saying that having a little bit of God in your life is a necessary evil.

There's a good reason for that; Anarchy, at any level of execution, is not a suitable system of long-term government by any means. Like I said, it is a transitional system of government... always has been, always will be. Sorry, history speaks for itself.

 

Tyler Durden is the guy Brad Pitt plays in Fight Club.

 

My general understanding is that Anarchism isn't really about your positions. In fact the only connection (concensus in issue) I see is that all anarchists are for small local government. One anarchist can be for an issue while one is against. All that really defines you as an anarchist is your belief in local government. Is my analysis correct Psycho Bound?

 

No, it is not Libertarianism because I dont believe in the constentution, the supream court, ect. Again, the form of Anarchism I am refering to is what was defined in the 1970's punk subculture movement.

 

Correct. Anarchism is the genral belief in small, community based government in which there are no laws that cannot be changed, or ulitimitly destoryed by the public in which belong to that Anarchist community.

 

Well he is AWESOME lol xD

 

Etc, etc etc,... blah blah blah for pages upon pages

Kid, you're young. You'll grow out of this punk/anarchist/rebellion stage eventually. Most teenage males go through a similar experience; trying to find their own place within the subcultures of the existing world. Not knowing where to start, they - as I did (and as you are doing) - tend to go to extremes.

I've read this entire discussion and aside from being amazed that it's even lasted this long, I am more amazed at your representation and perception of...well... everything; life in general.

I'm sure we all do appreciate having a participating member here on SciForums.com and I do thank you for posting, however age is not just a number. With age comes experience, and thus knowledge. There are priorities in life. As you grow older and mature you will find that the things you once found high on your list may be in reality quite low. I do not intend to degrade your opinions or current beliefs, but I mean this rather as a forewarning to take your time and choose carefully what and who you are. Nothing can be worse than becoming comfortable with a certain belief to the point that when you outgrow it you avoid abandoning them out of fear of lacking a sense of self and/or acceptance. But again, as you mature and age you will develop a sense of self beyond stereotypes and subcultures, so long as you do not hinder your own self in the process by maintaining a state of mind in which you should naturally evolve from.

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you left out this one MZ:

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what the hell are you talking about? there have been quite a few successful anarchist endeavors, especially with anarcho-syndicalism. in fact, i'm not going to look it up right now (but will if pressed), but there is a sizeable and long-running (several decades) syndicalist corporation in spain presently--and it is quite successful. moreover, there are presently, and have been, countless largely anarchic organizations--from communities to businesses to squats to ...--throughout the world.

as far as this curious pro-market, pro-militia, anti-socialistic brand of "anarchism" that you seem to espouse, i can't think of any examples though. of course, at the same time, i've never personally encountered this curious brand of "anarchism"--and frankly, it would not likely be warmly received in, say, a squat in nijmegen.

 

Well at least you apply your "principles" to education too.
You apparently don't believe in spelling either.

I doubt it, since that was effectively -
"Smash the system"
"Which system?"
"What have you got?"

Ecrasez l'infâme indeed...

 

Ugh! You are DENSE! Libertarianism is more than just a party of American politics, it is its own independently recognized political theory. No seriously, I'm not kidding! Look it up on Wikipedia, one of the origins of Libertarianism was Anarchism.

 

Because spelling of one person really does affect the entire creditability to an entire belief system.

 

Quite incorrect.
But then I never made (or implied) that connection anyway.

 

I appreciate yours aswell, but I would like to make the point that most of the points and views im speaking of did not come from me. Anarchism isnt my idea, thus my age doesnt affect the way its presented or established, run ect. Im just a believer in it. I think that you are the one that developed passed stereotypes ect. because otherwise you wouldnt think that my beliefs where based purely on that.

 

But Spain is NOT an anarchtic country.

Im quite sorry that you havent encountered it before. Im glad I could educate you on something new today

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I understand that. But I still am not a Libertarian. I have several friends and family members who are.
But you are correct on the fact that it was one of its origins.

 

your point?

but a singular exponent of a vaguely defined pro-market, pro-militia, anti-socialistic "anarchism" does not a "movement" make. any sources yet?