America as an "honest broker" for Palestine

Discussion in 'Politics' started by S.A.M., Feb 17, 2010.

  1. StrawDog disseminated primatemaia Valued Senior Member

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    yes, looking at the big picture it certainly seems this way, right up until the Gaza assault, but I believe the tide has changed in this regard. That was an eye opener to the drowsy. :m:
     
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  3. kororoti Registered Senior Member

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    Britain also had to deal with increasing bad will abroad as the plight of the people of India made other people take interest in the matter. Eleanor Roosevelt, for example, asked her husband on some occasions to make war time aid to Britain contingent on making concessions in India.

    Once a movement becomes sympathetic enough, to enough people, it becomes like what Haiti is right now. Relief organizations start springing up, and putting pressure on world governments to end the suffering.

    Martin Luther King's movement didn't work on the basis of racist Southern police officers feeling bad about arresting protesting black demonstrators. It worked on the basis of people in the Northern states seeing news reports and getting angry about what they saw happening.
     
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  5. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    A good one on mondoweiss today:

    Meanwhile, stateside, if you organise to help Palestinians who have had homes razed and children bombed, you get a prison term

    http://www.democracynow.org/2009/5/29/holy_land

    Organise to actively stage pogroms against a captive population? Thats kosher and worth a $1000 a plate dinner.
     
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  7. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Continuing on from the previous post, the first amendment in the United States of America:

    Now why does that sound familiar?

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  8. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    That is odd indeed. Weren't those students associated with the Muslim Student's Union, which was founded by the Muslim Brotherhood?

    http://www.theblogmocracy.com/2010/...mbassador-orens-speech-were-members-of-m-s-u/

    I'm given to understand that you didn't support their particular views on religion and politics. What's more, CAIR appears to be well invested in Irvine in general. Then again, maybe the MSU at Irvine are really misunderstood.

    http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/uc-irvine-still-enforcing-sharia-law/

    I mean, it could be.

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  9. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not particularly cognisant of the religious or political views of the Muslim brotherhood. But I am pretty certain they are not a requisite for freedom of expression in American students who happen to be Muslim. Quoting hasbara sites like the Jewish Pajama Media is not helpful to your arguments. They support an apartheid state for foreign Jews in Palestine and are not what I would call a principled citation for objective media reports related to the Jewish state.
     
  10. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    "Happen to be Muslim" is not an accurate or principled descriptor of "associated with the Muslim Brotherhood". Sorry. If you don't like the argument presented, you can look up their affiliations and prove me wrong.

    I predict that you won't.
     
  11. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I don't care what their affiliations are. They were arrested for heckling. In school.
     
  12. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    You mean, you don't care because the 'kids' are Muslim. If it were Jewish kids, you'd be all over it. But if it's Muslim kids screaming hatred against Jews, it doesn't bother you. Same as if it's Armenians, or Zoroastrians, or pretty much anyone else, other than Muslims and maybe Indians, on a good day.
     
  13. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    BTW: my prediction came true.
     
  14. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    More on America, the "honest" broker

    Hilary Clinton gives a speech in AIPAC, where she moans orgasmically about the special relationship, points out that Palestinians are violent criminals and that the US will not tolerate a nuclear Iran. All she didn't do was wrap herself in the blue and white and sing the Hatikva

    For anyone remotely interested in this gibberish, a link to her speech transcript.

    http://www.aipac.org/PC2010/webPlayer/mon_clinton10.asp
     
  15. nirakar ( i ^ i ) Registered Senior Member

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    Does anybody believe that the USA is an honest broker for Palestine?

    Don't Israel backers also accept that the USA is on Israel's side?
     
  16. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Jonathan Ben-Artzi in the Christian Science Monitor:

    Oy Vey, even the Israelis are talking more sense than the Americans.

    Ben-Artzi is nephew to Netanyahu
     
  17. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Hmm. Hill's comments were a bit one-sided. She did specify "Hamas" and "Hizbollah", of course...then went on to generally apply the comments to "Palestinians".

    Then again, she also used "Israelis" throughout. So, I'd say it's kind of a wash. It's a common failing to group people as a nationality rather than by the interests of the acting players. Even I do it, though rarely if ever intentionally.
     

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