UN resolution 478, is HUGE!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Bishadi, Mar 15, 2010.

  1. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    this is why the settlements in Jeruselem are illegal

    Israelis took the city in 67' and now trying to claim it as their capital but the GLOBE has shared it is NOT their capital.



    Most nations with embassies in Jerusalem relocated their embassies to Tel Aviv following the adoption of Resolution 478. Following the withdrawals of Costa Rica and El Salvador in August 2006, no country maintains its embassy in Jerusalem, although Paraguay and Bolivia have theirs in nearby Jerusalem suburb Mevasseret Zion. The subsequent advisory opinion of the International Court of Justice expressed the view that all States are under an obligation not to recognize the illegal situation in and around East Jerusalem.



    is this a political argument that people should be observing?


    as far as i am concerned these are the types of articles people should be aware of.......

    How many here are aware of res 478?
     
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  3. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    Do you know how many resolutions they have had against Israel? 221!

    So another resolution doesn't really mean very much.
     
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  5. w1z4rd Valued Senior Member

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    Also that resolution is from the 1980`s....
     
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  7. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    "against israel" is not the scope to observe; some call that anti semitic

    the thread was to share how far away our leaders and media are off from addressing what is right and observed by LAW from the international community

    I see a political debate in the context that for 'we the people' to understand that our leadership in washington voted against the international community.

    How is that? How is it, that our country obstained from such a vote?

    How is it, that few in america know that much of the divide has been addressed and we (america's name/vote) are on the wrong side of the argument because of our leaders and not by 'we the people'?


    Meaning; how would you vote on such an issue?
     
  8. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    SO basically, for 3o years the international community already made the commitment (law) and how many here in america know what the capital of israel is?
     
  9. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    Resolutions against Israels actions against palestinians does not make anyone an anti-semite, what it means is that UN resolutions are simply ineffective.

    We the people do not vote on anything in the UN. Its the security council that makes these decisions and there are only five permanent members so what India thinks or Korea or any other nation is simply irrelevant.
     
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  10. w1z4rd Valued Senior Member

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    From a South African perspective its being Tel Aviv:shrug:

    Ive never known Jerusalem as the capital.
     
  11. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    or that we the people are not aware, that a body of people that our congress sends 30billion/10yr... is going against, the majority of the globe in aggression, when 'we the people' have always thought it was because they were victims.

    the international community has already said, that jeruselem is not the capital for the last 3 decades; how many americans know this?

    And that UN is what polices the global nations.

    So if that UN says 'stop' then by law, the PEOPLE of the globe are supposed to enforce or impose sanctions.

    Do you adhere to the UN or to which foundation of law?

    Basically, if the UN is not capable, then 'we the people' can simply tell our congressman how to represent US as constituents.

    AS far as i am concerned, jeruselem is an international site for all three religious beliefs of Abraham; not a city that ONE nation can control.

    The city should be a land mark for all mankind as a historical site, free from persecution by any (as that ideology is why israel was created).

    The US as a country is secular by law (religion and state; separate). By law, our population is not to support a religious government.

    Some say, 'well, wake up" and i am just sharing 'what is right' versus what is accepted.

    Is that political enough?

    Did you know, that Jeruselem is not the capital of Israel?
     
  12. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    most penquins are black and white

    nice to see a little color with a fair opinion

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    hows the diamond business?

    ever wonder how a stupid rock with pretty much no use is held as being so valuable; then marketed to represent Love?

    kind of like this subject and thread; basic common sense but for some reason 'we the people' have been bamboozled!
     
  13. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    I'm aware but there is very little you can do about it when the lobby is so powerful and when there are many americans who think that Israel is in the right. I am not for the dismantling of the Israeli state, just for a resolution to all of the troubles if that is what both parties want to do, if not then they can continue as they have been. The Palestinians haven't made the best decisions concerning how to deal with the state so they are also to blame. You should ask yourself how many americans really care not many people know. I say stop paying Israel all these millions as they don't need it but I would also not pay Egypt any money either and the US does that too. Actually if it were up to me no one would receive pay checks on a regular basis from the US or the EU. Fuck em

    The UN does not police the globe as we have seen the US does that. The UN does not have the power to police the globe. They can't even enter a nation unless they are invited whether its for peace keeping or anything else for that matter.

    Bishadi: So if that UN says 'stop' then by law, the PEOPLE of the globe are supposed to enforce or impose sanctions.

    The people are not in a position to enforce anything since the UN represents nations and not the people of nations.


    Bishadi: Do you adhere to the UN or to which foundation of law?

    UN doesn't have laws. The globe is not governed under one government under the UN so as citizens the only laws we need abide are national. The UN pisses about having meetings and talks and coming up with more paper resolutions that don't mean shit in reality.

    Bishadi: Basically, if the UN is not capable, then 'we the people' can simply tell our congressman how to represent US as constituents.

    Well yes I agree with you here.

    Bishadi: The US as a country is secular by law (religion and state; separate). By law, our population is not to support a religious government.

    Why not? We support Saudi Arabia. But anyway just because we have a secular system doesn't mean that as a nation we cannot support other nations that may be religious but I wouldn't consider Israel a religious state but a secular one.


    Bishadi: Some say, 'well, wake up" and i am just sharing 'what is right' versus what is accepted.Is that political enough?

    So go ahead rant away, maybe it will make a difference on the ground but I doubt it :shrug: Look at it like this. Most nations still continue to do business with Israel, the west gets intel support from Israel, the West also has closer ties to Israel than other nations in the area...So...from a political point of view you can say 'We dislike this and that action' but these governments will do business with Israel and turn a blind eye and since they have the forth largest army in the world no one is willing to go to war over the palestinians and if there was a question of that I would not be in favor of it but then again I was not in favor of Afghanistan or Iraq. I think its time for the West to take care of itself and forget about changing other people's circumstances. I say leave it to them to figure out.

    Bishadi: Did you know, that Jeruselem is not the capital of Israel?

    I really don't care what the capital is but always known it to be Tel Aviv.

    To tell you the truth I don't lose any sleep over either Israel or the Palestinians.
     
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  14. w1z4rd Valued Senior Member

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    I would like to interject. The US does not police the world. They police their own interests. I wished they policed the world.. then Robert Mugabe would have being gone a long time ago.

    The US has no clout in this part of the world but we have good relations with them, as we do the Russians, the Chinese, Israel and Palestine.

    South Africa will continue supporting both peoples of both lands as I think its accepted opinion that both have the right to exist now. Israel is not ganna be popular with their land grabs though. I would love Israel to withdraw to its original UN mandated borders.
     
  15. w1z4rd Valued Senior Member

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    I dont know how the diamond business is. I know with the scaling back of business in country we have dropped our gold production from 1st in 2006 to 4th now.
     
  16. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    the LOBBY is not representing americans but of special interests. (an underlying objective)

    who said anything about dismantle?
    'all the troubles'.....?

    Netayantahu was talking with biden about iran and the settlements in E Jerus...... the US and our pres, said "stop"
    I care. as what it means, is the globe can now see why the palestinians are a weeeeeee bit upset and actually tell our congreeman, that either the aggression stops or stop funding israel, to start with.
    perhaps you should read up on the UN

    The United Nations Organization (UNO) or simply United Nations (UN) is an international organization whose stated aims are facilitating cooperation in international law, international security, economic development, social progress, human rights, and the achieving of world peace. The UN was founded in 1945 after World War II to replace the League of Nations, to stop wars between countries, and to provide a platform for dialogue. It contains multiple subsidiary organizations to carry out its missions

    perhaps you forgot that the UN was created in the sense that they are what told britain to relinguish palestine and even allow the migration of refugees into palestine to make israel.

    Israel as a country would not exist without the UN as britain was who controlled the colony of palestine.
    funny

    sad to find it accepted by any
    then find it illegal under the constitution

    i guess you not up to speed; Netayantahu is a Russian by birth who became priminister of israel with a slogan of 'no loyalty, no citizenship' (and just recently claimed the intention of deporting them who will not support 'the' religious state)

    Did you know over 20% of the population is muslim (indigenous palestinians)?

    not interested in war

    nor interested in any intelligence that is biased; look at what happened in iraq (it was all bogus; no WMD)

    now that ignorance (you may call intelligence) is about to put iran as the new boogieman against west (another whole line of BS (per se intelligence))

    funny....... as you have been debating, all political and such but just shared what answer i was asking for in the OP.....

    SO basically, you were arguing on nothing except to point out, that you really dont care what 'we the people' are or represent but that the governing people will do what they want
    i can see that

    why care, it dont affect you, right?


    So then i ask, why you on a political thread?
     
  17. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    By policing the world I mean its the US who regularly enjoys crossing borders with military intervention for one reason or another, imposing sanctions and the like. Yes they are policing for their own interests but all superpowers do the same, the US just does it more frequently than anyone else and extends themselves further than necessary, especially these days, but the US is hardly very good at these kinds of interventions they cause more harm than good much of the time. I'm in South East Asia and anyone from this part of the world can tell you of the calamity caused by US intervention.

    What part of the world are you in?
     
  18. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    part of the 'wake up' croud


    'we the people' have been bamboozled!


    to read, what the PM of Israel said the utter day, had me thinking and i was supprised to see how bad it is on this front

    it reminded me of when my father smacked me once good a couple decades back, when i said just blow them terrorists up, we got the nukes.....and pops kicked me around for a bit and told me to observe both sides before ever taking such a stands.


    netayantahu claimed J was the capital, 2 days ago....... and i knew that J was taken in 67 land grab

    then if you really wanna get weird go look up in Deut (torah), and Moses told them dont cross the jordan.....

    so legally and religiously, that J issue is HUGE (its just wrong)


    Ooooppss

    i am american
     
  19. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    Of course the lobby represents special interests. All lobbies represent special interests.

    Bishadi: 'all the troubles'.....?

    Netayantahu was talking with biden about iran and the settlements in E Jerus...... the US and our pres, said "stop"


    Yes i refer to it as 'the troubles' just as they did in Ireland back in the day. Yes Netanyahu refuses to stop building settlements even though the US has said so. Does this surprise you?

    So good, you care so go and tell your congressman you care.

    Perhaps you should go and read up on the UN. I know enough UN employees and know enough about the organization to tell you that what they have on paper is rubbish! Its all words without any power to enforce their sweet words. Look right here in Cambodia the government passed an anti-graft law which pretty much keeps the government corrupt and the UN spoke out against it. You know what the government said to the UN? Mind your mandate and stop butting your business in our internal affairs!!!

    North Korea and Myanmar say the same.

    No you are wrong. Israel would not exist if it were not for Britain. The UN is only as powerful as the security council members and if they cannot concur on something or if they block something it doesn't happen. If the UN were a democratic institution it would go to referendum and the majority would make the decisions but any referendum can be vetoed by the security council.

    What Netanyahu is by birth is besides the point. He's still an Israeli citizen. the 20% of the population is still a minority and seemingly a minority without much power.

    Israeli intel is some of the best in the world and it was the bush administration that concocted the weapons of mass destruction. Iran is a political move more than anything else, there is no legal reason why they cannot have nuclear power its just that the world would prefer if they did not. Evidently that also includes Russia.

    Bishadi: SO basically, you were arguing on nothing except to point out, that you really dont care what 'we the people' are or represent but that the governing people will do what they want.

    No. I am pointing out that 'we the people' is a part of the american constitution and not a global mandate. The UN represents NATIONS not people within those nations because they don't get to vote on anything. If you want a referendum type government then move to Switzerland.

    Bishadi: why care, it dont affect you, right? So then i ask, why you on a political thread?

    You're right it doesn't affect me. Neither does the Congo or Sudan. I live in Cambodia. Just because I don't lose sleep over something doesn't mean I cannot comment on it or have an opinion. Worrying about Israel or the palestinians will not mean much to the people on the ground. I think there are more pressing issues in the world, Haiti's re-construction being one of them, Europe would be another. I no longer care what the US does. I could get into issues about Cambodia but I am sure it wouldn't interest you nor would you lose any sleep over it.

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    Post number 14 was not addressed to you. I was asking w1z4rd what part of the world he is in.
     
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  20. BenTheMan Dr. of Physics, Prof. of Love Valued Senior Member

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    What is the issue here Bishadi---

    are you trying to convince us that the settlements are illegal?
     
  21. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    yes......

    It should not be OK, in any sense, when my tax dollars are being sent over seas.

    If they don't like it, then they should not be spending my money.

    thanks for the OK

    OK..... and the point is?


    again another claim by you, that apparently you 'ALSO" have been bamboozled......

    practically the first use of the term 'terrorism' in the 20th century were from the right wing nuts bombing british interests because britain WOULD NOT ALLOW the migrations. The LABOR party itself is rooted in zionist maintaining an underground body within palestine, (1909) to circumvent britain undermining of the messianic intent.

    From the king david hotel bombing and pages of lists throughout the 30's on up until the UN, britain was one of the active countries that was AGAINST the migration and the unbalance of power by the influx after and during ww2.

    how old are you?

    apparently you missed a huge chunk of history

    remind you of apartheid?

    you just said israel is all intelligence but could not share how wrong the US was?

    it is israel that does not and they who stirring the pot, just like what happened after kwait was taken back

    funny as all heck

    russians are who are building the reactors and russian scientists are who are educating and providing the know how.

    russians have armed and even sold them submarrines to close out the whole region if iran is attacked

    i believer, personally, iran is already armed and no one gonna stop it; ie..... in any of the subs, they have already had for a couple decades.

    you funny as all heck to think, india, china or russia is going to approve any sanctions against iran, that is why netayatawhoever was in the US last week

    Them folk dont want any equals in the neighborhood......
     
  22. Bishadi Banned Banned

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    not me

    YOU can read for your own self; if you cant comprehend what Res 478 means, then i can see why you may not agree.



    i am learning everyday

    and being complacent to ignorance aint my style
     
  23. BenTheMan Dr. of Physics, Prof. of Love Valued Senior Member

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    We have been talking a lot in the moderator forum about the purpose that people have in starting threads. Some people clearly only want to start flame wars with other members of opposite opinions.

    What is your purpose in starting this thread?

    And you didn't post Resolution 478, you only posted an interpretation of it---surely, a truth seeker such as yourself has read the text of Resolution 478, and you know where to find it, so that you can post it for everyone else to read?

    Or did you miss the discussion of primary sources and secondary sources in high school?
     

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