Mods Gone Wild

Discussion in 'SF Open Government' started by Gustav, Dec 4, 2009.

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  1. Bells

    Bells Staff Member

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    So you don't think that someone who attacks another because they are a "brown Muslim" should be sanctioned?

    Nonsense. There are many of us who also possess some "anti-Western sentiment" when it comes to the war and the treatment of Palestinians, for example. And yet, when others debate us for it, they debate what we are saying, not where we come from or our religion or lack there of.

    So you think having "anti-Western sentiment" is based solely on one's skin colour and religion?

    If they use example 1, then yes it is motivated by bigotry and racism. Example 2, no. Now, for some on this forum, well one moderator in particular, even if one uses 'example 2' against Sam, then they are automatically racist, even though their debate or issues mention nothing about her personally but merely the words she uses. That is what I have an issue with.

    For example, do you think that in light of what you are saying, that I could cry out racism and sexism against Tiassa when he calls me hysterical and delusional, seeing that I am coloured and a woman? No. I would not. But if another person spoke that way to Sam for example, without mentioning her race or her religion or her colour, then Tiassa would label that individual as being racist and bigoted. That is the area that I disagree with here.

    That even with no mention of her race or religion, that anyone who disagrees with Sam or takes her to task over just her words and opinions, people are being described as being racist and bigoted.

    Half the time, I would say they were.
     
    Bells, Mar 11, 2010
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  3. S.A.M.

    S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Yes I noticed that. Its why the responses never address the arguments, only my "bigotry". Makes it so much easier when you can just block out the horrors being perpetrated on a daily daily daily basis. Has James even found the Palestinian refugees as yet?

    So whats the alternative? Continue to tiptoe around the psychos in the room? Pretend they don't exist? Ignore the dying?

    You don't need the mod forum. I asked for an example of my post which you defended even though it was beyond the pale.
     
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  5. Bells

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    All of which are in the mod forum. I have requested that Tiassa post everything he and I have posted in there since I joined. Plenty of examples there when he posts it.

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    Bells, Mar 11, 2010
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  7. Hercules Rockefeller

    Hercules Rockefeller Beatings will continue until morale improves. Moderator

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    I’m betting that you’ve met very few Muslims and that you’re impugning an entire religion based on your own biased (if not outright bigoted) analysis of a small data set. (That’s assuming you’ve actually met any Muslims and actually discussed their views on terrorism and are not simply lying, which is reasonably likely.)

    So, give us the numbers.

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    As a counterpoint, I can tell you that of the Muslims I know, none condone acts of terrorism, be they Islamic or otherwise.

    Coincidence? I don't think so.
     
    Hercules Rockefeller, Mar 11, 2010
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  8. S.A.M.

    S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Bells:

    Are you saying that all of my objectionable posts were made as a moderator in the mod forum?
     
    S.A.M., Mar 11, 2010
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  9. Bells

    Bells Staff Member

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    Nope. I am saying that my defence of your posts were made in the mod forum.
     
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  10. S.A.M.

    S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I don't care about your defense, I just want to see an example of a post you considered as objectionable and yet defended. Don't you remember even one?
     
    S.A.M., Mar 11, 2010
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  11. WillNever

    WillNever Valued Senior Member

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    Official Statement from Sciforums High Society:

    Due to the observed unfair moderation practices of James R and other forum-fatigued moderators who are allowing their jaded, cynical, and prejudicial expectations of users of the board to dictate their acts of moderation, High Society group is making an official statement of depreciation and contempt for ALL perpetrators of this low-down, scumsucking behavior on the part of the moderators. We see this kind of innately and purposefully unfair moderation as a serious violation of ethical values and that sort of thing is simply not acceptable in our eyes, and therefore we officially disapprove of it. We consider anyone who sits by while users are alienated in this way to be UNPRINCIPLED if they do not decry these acts in a large, bold voice. Bullying users of your board is wrong, regardless of whatever you think of their viewpoints.
     
    WillNever, Mar 11, 2010
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  12. Bells

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    Pick any of your arguments with Q as one example. Some of your responses were objectionable, but Q's attack of you bordered on the insane and reeked of racism and bigotry.
     
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  13. S.A.M.

    S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Really? Like which one? I thought I did a pretty good job of using his arguments against him in a most scientific manner.
     
    S.A.M., Mar 11, 2010
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  14. CheskiChips

    CheskiChips Banned Banned

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    I challenge the society to a debate on this topic. You first.
     
    CheskiChips, Mar 11, 2010
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  15. StrawDog

    StrawDog disseminated primatemaia Valued Senior Member

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    Seconded. This used to be a Board for FREE, Creative and Objective discourse, and these ideals should be upheld.

    Come back Dave W, all is forgiven.
     
    StrawDog, Mar 11, 2010
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  16. mordea

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    But that's not what happened. People attacked S.A.M because of her anti-Western rhetoric and disingenous debate tactics. Some then associated her behaviour and opinions with being a brown Muslim. Whether or not you agree with such an association being made by a particular individual is irrelevant to the truth of the original observation.

    I don't consider valid criticism of one's government to qualify as 'anti-Western sentiment'. However, there is a point at which valid criticism turns into a rabid obsession. When you derail threads to bitch and whine for the 50 millionth time about the West while ignoring the atrocities of non-Western countries being discussed in that thread, I'd say that you have an anti-Western sentiment.

    If I argued for racial segregation, would you associate such views with me being a WASP and my (hypothetical) membership with white supremacist organisations?

    Not any more than cancer is based solely on cigarette smoking. However race (which is associated with culture) and religion definitely influence ones views on certain subjects.

    I agree here with you, in part. However, simply mentioning S.A.M's religion should not automatically invalidate one's assessment of her.
     
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  17. Gustav

    Gustav Banned Banned

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    poor bells
    so desperate for redemption

    /snort

    hmm
    perhaps she can retire her handle and reinvent herself?

    /snigger
     
    Gustav, Mar 11, 2010
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  18. Bells

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    I am not you.

    So if she was a white Muslim her opinions would not be the same?

    Even in attempting to justify it, you are being racist.

    We are all allowed our little obsessions. Granted, she is a tad more obsessed then some. Okay. A lot more obsessed..

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    Ermm no. But if you started spouting racial superiority and demanding that we become like the supremacist organisation that you "hypothetically" belong to, then a connection could be made.

    But that's not really the point here, is it? The point is that Sam could discuss anything at all and she would be attacked by some quarters of this forum and they would insult and abuse her for her religious beliefs and her ethnicity. That is what many of us opposed.

    Of course it does. But let me ask you a question. Sam is a Muslim and an Indian. I am an atheist living in Australia. But we both share a similar opinion on the treatment of Palestinians by Israel. Why do you think that is?

    No, but when you keep going on and on and on about it, in every post you respond or aim at her, then it does and did become a problem.
     
    Bells, Mar 11, 2010
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  19. Gustav

    Gustav Banned Banned

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    ahh
    i suppose your delusions force you to imagine i had done both, eh?

    /pats
     
    Gustav, Mar 11, 2010
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  20. sweet Pentax

    sweet Pentax Registered Senior Member

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    i wish i would have so much time to waste like some others here have

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    when debates don´t lead to a goal - start a full-scale war or move on.
     
    sweet Pentax, Mar 11, 2010
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  21. Tiassa

    Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Slick it up to ya?

    But this is our version of baby oil bikini wrestling.
     
    Tiassa, Mar 11, 2010
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  22. Giambattista

    Giambattista sssssssssssssssssssssssss sssss Valued Senior Member

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    Thirded. However, I'm not sure I would have mentioned any names in particular.


    Who's Dave W?
     
    Giambattista, Mar 11, 2010
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  23. Pinwheel

    Pinwheel Banned Banned

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    Dave W Bush, of course.
     
    Pinwheel, Mar 11, 2010
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