Star Trek vs. Star Wars

Discussion in 'SciFi & Fantasy' started by USS Athens, Aug 29, 2007.

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Which is better?

  1. Star Trek

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  2. Star Wars

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    51.6%
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  1. Shogun Bleed White and Blue! Valued Senior Member

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    God knows how many force users are in the Star Wars universe and what are their abilities. In theory there is no limit to the power of the force.
     
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  3. George1 Registered Senior Member

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    that's bullshit dude!
    the Q don't care about what lover life dose!
    it has been showed time and again that the continuum doesn't like it.
    and how are you so sure that,even if they would care,they would go with
    YOU? Q has shown a powerful inclination to put everyone in danger just to
    teach them a lesson! how do you know they would ENJOY seeing the feds,klingons and others struggling to win?

    over that,SW doesn't need the Force to win!
    It's superior weapon,ftl and sublight propulsion ,shields and infrastructure is
    all that it needs.Now i just cut the Force out of this discussion.
    no magic or any other metaphysical thing (ST has way to much of that)
    if we cut Q..well,you better surrender!
     
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  5. alpinedigital Registered Senior Member

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    It doesnt matter, George. If its SW universe vs ST universe, then SW cant win without defeating the entire Q continuum along with everything else in the Trek universe. They are automatically involved regardless of whether they feel like 'helping' anyone.

    And while you may THINK you control the discussion, you don't. But even if you did want to go heads up without the Force and Q, there are other things in the Trek verse that are more than capable. I suggest you find yourself a good sci-fi station and get caught up on all the species, because until then, you're just stuck repeating the same stupid argument.
     
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  7. George1 Registered Senior Member

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    i am repeating the same stupid argument?
    Trekkies like you always use the same arguments that were proven stupid
    and useless against SW millions of times,but you STILL use them.
    the Q argument was proven bullshit time and time and time again,that they
    won't interview,but you STILL don't get it!

    you always think yourself superior to others! you always talk like you are
    superior to others,you always use big words for something small!
     
  8. alpinedigital Registered Senior Member

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    Actually, the 'Q' argument about them not getting involved could ONLY be used if the scenario is 'IF the two universes 'encountered' each other. Then, yeah - there could be innocent bystanders and races that would choose not to help in wars. But the thread says "So, which would win if both universes were engaged in battle?" and as I said, you can't WIN against Trek univserse unless you could capture the continuum and hold them prisoners or destroy them.

    How could anyone think Q are not automatically involved? The 'Trek universe' includes everything and everyone, plain and simple. Destroy them or capture them or you have not conquered the universe. (Well especially when Q could simply spin time backwards and restore anything they wanted. lol)

    And yeah you have the same arguments that certain Trek technologies won't be a threat but so often, warsies don't want to discuss those technologies that ARE a threat. I mean, those with their heads stuck so far up SW writers asses just refuse to believe there's any possibility. Like in a trillion different scenarios, Trek would have a 0% success rate. That's bullshit.

    And why is it I never get straight answers when I ask questions about Star Wars? I guess you hard core warsies either don't have the answers or you refuse to submit them, as if you know I found vulnerabilities...
     
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  9. George1 Registered Senior Member

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    this conflict dose not involves EVERYTHING in both universes.
     
  10. alpinedigital Registered Senior Member

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    "So, which would win if both universes were engaged in battle?"

    Does it say, If they do battle with everyone except specific species of your choosing? NO!
     
  11. George1 Registered Senior Member

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    this is getting old.
    DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THE Q WON'T INTERVIEW???
     
  12. Ryushi Registered Senior Member

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    In all honesty, Star Trek most likely has more species, so as much as I hate to say it, Star Trek might win, but I'm still for Star Wars in this fight.
     
  13. George1 Registered Senior Member

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    star wars has 20 million species,way to many to present them all.

    in star trek,they say there are some 3 million habitable planets,
    even it every single one of them has 2 species, there are still less than in star wars.

    so there you go,just how would the Q win against that?
    extinct them all?
     
  14. Ryushi Registered Senior Member

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    Well I knew the number from the Star Wars galaxy (not universe, universes are infinitely expanding) there were quite a large amount of species residing in that galaxy.
     
  15. alpinedigital Registered Senior Member

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    Thank you George1... You have just invited Q to be involved. It's about time you got it through your thick head!! Firstly, I don't think we can dictate whether they'd get involved or not. I've explained why in earlier posts:

    "Borg do not negotiate. They do not form allies." Well, that depends on the situation. Species 8472 seems to think otherwise.

    Janeway believes completely in science above religion. She's a hard-core believer that there's a scientific explanation for everything. But in 'Sacred Ground' she was willing to risk her own life (and Kes') to save Kes by taking a leap of faith, something the Janeway we know would never do.

    So in my opinion, we can't just dictate what others would do. Warsies can always state they believe the Continuuum would stay out of it, but we can just as easily say we believe they would be involved.

    And the final deciding fact is that the thread in no way suggests that any species should be left standing or free to leave.

    "which would win if both universes were engaged in battle"

    Unless you destroy or capture the Q or get them to surrender, then you cant consider you've won the battle.
     
  16. George1 Registered Senior Member

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    yes i can,cuz even the Q would not commit genocide,and that would be the
    only way to stop the advance civilization in Star wars!

    they wouldn't interview; what's in it for them?
    the other races would be made into slaves, but what's in for the all mighty
    Q to get involved in such a war? especially in a war between lover life??

    it's simply illogical,you know,for am omnipotent being to even consider getting
    involved!!
    when are you going to understand this??
     
  17. alpinedigital Registered Senior Member

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    Wrong. Genocide is just the only method your simple mind can come up with.


    I understood your point of view long before you ever showed up.
    But what part of the thread topic do you NOT understand.

    The Q are not 'bystanders' of Star Trek in this hypothetical scenario. Its PLAIN and SIMPLE, ALL that the Star Wars universe has at its disposal vs ALL the Star Trek universe. It doesn't say 'Whether they feel like it or not. You are up against everything Star Trek.

    You can't pick your fights and say "Oh, we'll attack everyone except Q" You have to attack everyone, conquer, defeat, destroy, whatever you plan on doing to WIN.

    I understand that if by chance the Empire wandered in and started trouble, maybe the Q don't care to be involved... but THAT is not the scenario in the topic thread. Battle for the WIN, is.
     
  18. George1 Registered Senior Member

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    no,it's simple logic.Genocide or total slavery for the defeated are the only
    two possible results.

    no,i don't care about you say!
    it is a topic for an argument,and i simply say,for a billion time, THE Q DON'T CARE.
    show me ONE evidence that the Q would get involved,and i surrender!
    on my star wars loving word!

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  19. Shogun Bleed White and Blue! Valued Senior Member

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    Q have no stake in the victory of defeat of the rest of milky way.
     
  20. alpinedigital Registered Senior Member

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    omg not ANOTHER person who doesnt get it...

    The Q doesnt NEED to have a stake in anything. Can you not read and understand the concept of the thread?? Do you not know the meaning of winning a battle?


    In order to win the battle you'd have to defeat the other side. Q is on the Trek side. I don't care if the continuum likes to sleep in late, take vacations away, not show up til they're damned good and ready or if they prefer the battle never occurs...

    the thread topic is about winning the battle which means exactly that, and its all-inclusive, and SHOULD be 'take no prisoners'. Just a sad fact the warsies can't simply admit that they got nothing for the Continuum..
     
  21. George1 Registered Senior Member

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    well of course you don't care,all you want is a full out war with no tie to
    the actual franchise !
     
  22. Omega133 Aus der Dunkelheit Valued Senior Member

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    He has a point here. The Q usually don't interfere, but the point of the thread is what if EVERYONE in BOTH universes did. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

    Nothing? The Continuum is powerful, but if Jean-luc could beat a "Q", I think a being with far more power (Such as a jedi or sith) would be able to beat Q.
     
  23. Shogun Bleed White and Blue! Valued Senior Member

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    God knows how many force-users there are in the Star Wars universe and god knows how powerful some of them are.
     
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