Star Wars vs Star Trek

Holy Shit, the game is Canon??????

I seriously think Lucasfilm should make more Star Wars Expanded Universe stuff canon. Anyways, there are types of Star Wars shield that can block matter, Star Wars shields are specialized ( sometimes even too specialized for my tastes ). I concede, I can't win if the game is canon. Anyways to those other remaining Star Wars supporters ( George1 mainly ):

This is science fiction, highlight the fiction part. That is why in science fiction pseudoscience and canon rules.

Canon rules in science fiction, if Paramount or Lucasfilm says its canon its canon, and is valid material period. EVEN IF IT IS FOR THE SAKE OF THE GAME AND EXCITEMENT.

NORMAL humans tend to be more frightened at someone getting vaporized then a round through the skull(or other parts). It is also more useful. That is why the Pentagon is funding and authorizing research projects on lasers instead of giant cannons. Talk to me about tactical and psychological stuff when you have a clue what you're saying.

Don't get me wrong, I am a big fan of Star Wars and I support Star Wars in this debated. I realized I can't win if the game is canon. I will still intervene when someone is saying something really stupid, but I will be most neutral now. Best of luck.

 

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star trek has antiproton beams now

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That is quite literally the ultimate beam weapon you can have.

The fact that star trek actually has shields that can resist them effectively means that a fleet of star destroyers would take hours to take down the shields of a battle cruiser...

 

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It was originally made by paramount I believe.

But yah, you should check it out. It is a fun ass game. I just got to the rank of leiutenant commander.

There are 5 ranks each one has 10 grades. So you basically have to get to grade 10 in leiutenant to hit leiutenant commander.

And each rank you get access to new ships.

The first rank ships arent too great, but once you hit leiutenant commander the game accelerates very much.

You should try it. Actually, Shogun, I bought the collector's edition, it came with 3 friend passes where you can play I think 5 days for free. You just download the client from their website (takes a couple of hours but is better than buying a game you may not like), and you can try it out for 5 days.

Would you like me to PM you the code for one?

 

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well first ,i KNOW it's fiction ,second, i also know what a Polaron is,i just don't see how it
could be use as a weapon.
third,if you want a contest of astrophysics i would be happy to participate,
and forth,comparing a modern day weapon with an imaginary weapon is the
only way someone with a sens of realism can deduce the imaginary weapons
effectiveness and potential and conclude how practical it would be.
that's why i tortured myself watching star trek and they'll bullshit every time
i got a chance.

 

Its "yell" not "they'll" btw.

Second off, ITS SCIENCE FICTION as in ITS NOT F***ING REAL!

Jesus christ, you come in here whining how none of this is real. No sh1t Sherlock, how long did it take you to figure that out?

 

as long as a loser takes to insult me.

 

Its science fiction george. Of course its not real, when did anyone in here say it was?:shrug:

 

em,never,but that's NOT the freaking point of this thread...lol.
i never said it is real,i was comparing reality with fiction and concluding
star trek is not as near as realistic as some tend to say.
that's how i do a debate.
:m::m:

 

But it doesnt matter if its not realistic. Thats why it's science fiction.

This is a debate that if two fictional universes were to have a massive war. Whom would win.

You are argueing that star trek would lose because its not realistic. That is a pretty idiotic arguement because it's assuming that something like this would really happen. And Id have to say that maybe you should stick to the reality which is that this is science fiction and your argueing that it is fiction.

That like me showing you an apple, and than you saying how Im a moron and that the object I am holding in my hand is obviously an apple.

 

FOR GOODNESS SAKE,i KNOW it's fiction.i am analyzing and explaining WHY
star trek would lose by it's technological standard.
what's so hard to understand?
i said the phaser is not realistic,BUT IN THE FICTIONAL UNIVERSE OF STAR
TREK IT IS.
now,a weapon like that against a blaster would be unpractical; you try to hold something like that in you'll hand when bolts of plasma rage above you'll
head.The trek's would probably use plasma rifles.
WE ARE DISCUSSING FICTION AS IF IT IS REAL.
i am simply pointing out the fact that they are not as realistic as people on
the trek side claim to be.
and you'll apple thing makes no sense.

 

As far as this debate goes, all of this is real, the fact is that the way physics works in this hypothetical allows these things to work.

Second off, in this example, a phaser is realistic end of story. The fact that is that it is a canon weapon so that means it works automatically without any doubt whatsoever, end of story.

Third, the phaser does come in the form of a rifle you know, and it is very practical.

Fourth, the blaster is an incredible innefficient weapon. And that isnt just in those universes even in our normal physics a blaster is very inefficient.

Fifth, yes they are pretty realistic, ever heard the term Maser?

 

oh,brother, you just contradict yourself again:
"The fact that is that it is a canon weapon so that means it works automatically without any doubt whatsoever, end of story."
"the blaster is an incredible innefficient weapon."
ah ha,so the fact that blasters can kill instantly is "inefficient"?lol,noob.
and yes, i did heard of masers; not only from reading science articles,but
also because they (called "charrics" in Chiss language) are the primary weapon for the Chiss race, on their fighters and for handheld rifles.

phasers may be realistic,but there is a problem: no one who use theme seams to be a trained soldier.want proof?
1.The federation starship crews are poorly trained in short range combat.
2.No,the klingone would not win,they usually drop they'll rifles in favor of swords.
combat in star trek is 99% ship to ship close range combat.
boarding actions are useless, because they can't transport through shields,
shields which first must be disabled.
now blasters would be in the same situations, but they are conceived for
mostly planetary combat.
now,lets get somewhere else,should we?

Orbital bombardment.
the act of inflicting damage to enemy on the ground
by means of ships in orbit.
i haven't watch any episode of trek in which orbital bombardment is showed,
so i won't get into this.
I have however saw this in star wars.
in extreme cases,an Base Delta Zero was ordered.this was a code to order the complete surface destruction of a planetary target, eliminating all life, industry, and natural resources
this prove the turbolaser effectiveness.
however,this would be a rare case on an advance planet;they would likely have a planetary shield,which needs an extremely large fleet in order to pierce; the Planetary shield of Alderaan actually block the sueperlaser of the
death star for a split second,which is phenomenal; in order to blow up a planet in that manner,you need to release in one second more energy that
our sun would in a few hundred or even thousand of years.To block it,even
for a small fraction of a second would require quite an advance technology.
now,lets see what star trek has about orbital bombardment and protection
against it.

 

I could kill you with a rock, but thats not nearly as effective as me shooting you in the head with a rifle now is it?
My point was as far as efficiency, in case you dont know what that means, it means how much power is put into the device, that the device converts to the specified function. The fact is, and yes that is a fact, that a laser is inefficient.

It means if you put in 100 gigawatts into a laser cannon you would probably get 25 gigawatts of energy coming out.

The fact is that compared to the phaser, if you put in 100 gigawatts of energy into a phaser emmitter you would get a lot more than 25 gigawatts of destructive power.

Now I said they are an innefficient device, I never said that they dont work. Do you really fail that hard that you cant understand basic context?

Jesus, I cant even debate you because you dont even understand the basic sentence construction of this debate.

Well concidering how blatently incompetant the stormtroopers are the fed crews might as well be sharpshooters. Secondly, what exactly tells you that they aren't effective? They can fight off the borg somewhat well.

And who needs ground combat when we can annihalate your ground forces with our space ships?

Once more, no sh1t sherlock.

The defiant glassed an entire planet with a few torpedos.

Species 8472 used 98 fighter sized ships, and by fighter sized I mean literally, 30 feet long, to blow up an entire planet.

This is where efficiency matters, to blow up a planet, the empire needs a gun the size of a moon, to destroy a planet, all we need are 9 ships the size of an F-18.

Once more, so what exactly? Glassing a planet isnt that hard, what makes it significant is how much time, energy, and resources it takes. Considering it can take days for a star destroyer to glass a planet when a defiant class can do it in seconds shows the lack of efficiency of imperial weapons.

No, it just proves that theres enough destructive power to do enough damage to glass a small probably 100 by 100 foot patch of ground per shot. Which isnt that bad, but compared to a quantum torpedo and an antiproton beam array is utterly pitiful.

No, you just need to release enough energy to pierce the shield in one place. Not hard.

We have antiproton beams. They are the end all be all alpha and omega of beam weapons, your laser cannons are pitiful in comparison.

How many gigawatts can a laser cannon emit?

 

pituful.FOR THE LAST TIME,TURBOLASERS ARE NOT LASERS,THEY ARE
EFFECTIVE PLASMA-ENERGY WEAPONS.
a single star destroyer can perform a Base Delta Zero within minutes,
the moon size death star can pierce a planetary shield,
and a turbolase can emit 300 million GW (6 megatons per shot).
and this is the LOWER LIMIT.
they can render the a planet to a molted ball barley holding together.
how is that pitiful?
now,these antiproton beams,how much can they emit?
oh,wow, 9 ships. ever heard of the suncrusher?
it's a ship just a little bigger than a truck,with an Quantum-crystalline armor so hard,it can survive the directer blast of a supernova...a supernova that IT
induces with a single Resonance torpedo.
and really,this argument is getting nowhere with both of us always bringing
new things in it. i have like a 1000 things that can squash the feds like a bug,
worthless and week bug.
the hyperdrive is more effective than a transwarp conduit;you first need to build a transwarp hub.HAHA,loser.
how about the Force?how about a full planetary invasion of a Fed planet with billions of citizens and no defenses ON THE GROUND?
they have nothing to protect them with from a orbital bombardment,how
are they going to liberate the planet when the Empire or even the Republic
will held the population hostage?
people from trek are week,never able to do the right thing to end a war.
then comes the issue of infrastructure.The Empire constructed 60% of the
second Death Star in 2 to 4 years,and it was 900 km in diameter.They did
so and keep the DS2 in perfect secret,without even affecting the infrastructure of the Empire.To keep secret such a flow of resources is an
astronomical task,but the Empire didn't even struggled.

excluding the Dyson Sphere, a waste of time an resources to protect a single star,how fast would the federation,klingons,romulans or borg do that?
the Empire and the Republic had thousands and thousands of warships exceeding 1600 meters,tens of thousands of small cruisers with hundred of thousands of fighters.
the feds,klingon and romulans had a few thousands ships INCLUDING FIGHTERS.
how is that pitiful?

 

Yah but the plasmsa is heated by lasers. This is even more inefficient because first you have to put the power into lasers so 100 gigawatts into those turrets would translate to 25 gigawatts of energy emitted by the lasers to act upon the plasma, and the plasma would change that to maybe 16 gigawatts max. Those are star wars weapons.

Now in star trek you have systems that take energy and convert it straight to Plasma Beam Weapons. They are much more efficient and share more charecteristics with phasers than with the bolts you see in star wars.

And this is of course assuming you can send 100 gigawatts of energy to each laser barrel which is somewhat hard to believe.

Im not debating how effective these weapons are, practically all of these weapons can kill a person, we both know that.

Im argueing efficiency, as in how much power is put into the weapon that comes out.

If a phaser has the kind of efficiency that out of 50 gigawatts get put in 35 gigawatts are translated into destructive power that means that even though less energy is put into the weapon, the weapon still has far more destructive potential than a turbolaser.

Of course this is an example, I do not think paramount has ever explicitly released the numbers for efficiency.


George, there is a hierarchy for beam weapons in science fiction, largely based off of star trek just because star trek was the first science fiction thing to be such a big hit. It's not that star trek weapons would have an inherit advantage, we just use them because they make good comparisons.

So here it is:

Kinetic weapons --> Lasers --> pulse cannons (not to be confused with Phaser cannons) --> Phase cannons --> plasma (laser heated)--> Phaser --> Disruptor --> Plasma beam weapon --> Cutting beam --> Polaron --> Anti Proton.

That is the consensus in the scify world of the hierarchy for beam weapons.

The fact is that the federation has anti proton beam weapons. To put this into perspective, a primitive version of the anti proton beam array in the mid 24th century did 400 gigawatts worth of damage to the enemy ship, and this isnt the amount put into the beam, this was the amount the beam translated into destructive power. By the 25th century these evolved into 500-600 gigawatt beams.

And they are anti protons, that means so long as you can move the beam laterally fast enough, it would literally slice a death star in half with perfect ease.

And because of the primitive shields used by star wars ships which involve ion shielding, an antiproton beam probably would not be effected, more than likely actually the shield would make a hole for it to pass through.

The reason is that antiprotons are a form of antimatter. Anti protons are literally the opposite of protons. They are negatively charged protons to put it simply.

The shielding used by the star destroyers involve suspending an uncountable amount of electrons using a magnetic field type device and packing them together extremely tight, this work very well against beam weapons because the second the positively charged plasma hits the shield, the electrons bond with the plasma and render it inert. And if the plasma were negatively charged than the magnetic field would catch those negatively charge ions and suspend them with the electrons up until a certain point.

Anti protons are negatively charged, but they arent electrons so the magnetic field cannot catch and suspend them.

And just like a magnet when the anti protons which are flying close to the speed of light get close to the negatively charged electrons, the electrons are repelled away from the antiprotons, like if you were to stick the north sides of two magnets together they want to repel each other. So effectively it makes a hole in your shields. And than when the anti protons hit your hull, they bond to the protons in your atoms and through a complex reaction the atoms convert back to energy in an explosion.

So the anti protons would literally slice right through your star destroyer. The only limiting factor is how fast the antiprotons would arrive to your ship, which means that the only reason why they wouldnt cut your ships in half was because not enough antiprotons were sent in that beam.

6 megatons is unimpressive but also a pretty bold faced lie.

Now if an entire star destroyer could put out 6 megatons in 10 seconds, yah that makes more sense.

But to say that a gun barrel about 30 feet long can shoot more destructive power than the largest nuke detonated. I find that hard to believe.

Especially because when you see ship to ship combat with these things and when an enemy ship gets hit without shields, you dont see a mushroom cloud. The fact is that a 6 megaton shot would give enough explosive power to engulf around 10 star destroyers at a time. I find this pretty damned hard to believe. Especially because the openning scene of episode three shows Grievouses ship nailing another ship at point blank, and hits to the hull were explosions the size of maybe a small frigate, not a mushroom cloud.

Now 6 megatons total for 10 seconds broadside of an entire star destroyer, that makes sense. But considering they are powered by a primitive fusion reactor I doubt that they could put out enough power to your guns. Youd need several hundred million exowatts of energy to maintain a bombardment or extensive firing of these turbolasers and i can tell you that it is not possible.

Through several calculations Ive found on the web. The power output of a ship borde phaser can hit in the billions of megatons under some extreme pressure.

But typically 5.1 megatons maximum is the upper limit of most phasers. Of course, these weapons arent even meant for explosive power, they are meant to slice enemy shields to pieces so that torpedos can deliver the major punches. And a Star Trek torpedo has an output in the hundreds of isotons.

Because it takes you hours to days to do it. We can do it in milliseconds.

Its not the power they emit, its that when they interact with shields by nature the most advanced ones can sometimes burrow a hole through the shields without effort. And they react with matter in such a way that they cancel each other out in a massive explosion.

Yah a tiny little ship that is overpriced and overrated. It just shoots a torpedo/bomb into a sun to destabalize it, big deal.

And it's not like it can take on a planet or even a real space ship. The suncrusher is no more special than a Y-wing bomber. The only thing that makes it special is it carries torpedos that can destabalize a sun.

And even than if I remember correctly it can take hours. More than enough time for the deflectors on the Galaxy-class ships to restabalize the star.

Hate to break it to you but this is a star trek versus star wars. Its not just the feds. Its the entire universes against each other at the period of time when they were the most advanced or capable in canon (future paradoxes dont count of course). For star trek this is now 2409.

And that means hundreds of thousands of borg ships, thousands of federation ships, hundreds of Romulans, thousands of Klingons, thousands of 8472 ships, and thousands of Dominian ships.

And concidering your competance to spell "weak" I seriously doubt the superiority of the galactic empire to fend off an enemy that can slice through their ships with ease.

Hyperdrive basically takes your ships and accelerates them to FTL, only problem is that you are still in your universe. So you may run into a planet or a sun and bam, your entire fleet is destroyed. So you create these hyperspace lanes where they are safe for your ships to transverse. Of course, your ships cant use ftl in star trek until the correct lanes are plotted out by scout ships going slower than light speed.

Star trek ships go into subspace and their deflector keeps them from getting destroyed by the smallest pebble in space.

Second, that is an advantage moron. You have a transwarp hub at earth, and all I have to do is have a battlecruiser across the galaxy dial for a transwarp tunnel, and they enter and than sent to earth in seconds, than they dial another tunnel up to where they want to go, and bam, you go from one end of the galaxy to the other in a couple of minutes. Something that takes hyperspace hours to days.

Besides the fact is all we need are for the borg to build a shield generator in your hyperspace lanes. And to put this simply, your ships going through that lane would suffer a fate pretty similar to that of a fly hitting a car at 80 mph. Not to pretty ehh?

George, I know your new so Im going to tell you why we dont have the force involved with this arguement. Because the fact is that the Q whom would be on our side, would snap their fingers and your entire civilization is gone in the blink of an eye. So the rule is: No Q, No force.

Well concidering that we would be more preocuppied with wiping the crashed remains of your star destroyers off of the metaphorical windshields of the borg, I doubt you would come within a quarter of a galaxy to any of our planets.

Besides the fact that with the transwarp conduits, we can have an entire armada to meet your surprise attacks in minutes, less time than it takes for your ships to travel from the edge of the gravity well to the planet.

Besides the fact that our planetary defenses would rip you apart.

Transporters, we transport your stormtroopers, than wipe the pattern buffers clean. Its like they never existed, well...they dont anymore

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Well first off, the Republic is dead, and second, we both know the Republic wouldnt do that.

And of course this is assuming they would even land.

Which of course is pretty nice. But concidering they were retarded enough to let the thing be destroyed in less than a second by a single torpedo... Well... ill just say it shows what complete morons are in control of the empire.

people from trek are weak? Well concidering the turmoil your universe has been in since it's creation Id say your the weak ones.

Im not saying that you dont have some muscle, its just that the commanders in star wars are complete morons.

Hell, if I were in control of the empire, than at the very least the death star would still exist.

So how did they solve the problem with the hole in the first death star? They replaced it with one big enough for an entire god damned ship!

And dont give me that excuse that it was under construction.

That is bull, the entire thing was a trap, so you would think that through your supposed competance someone would at the very least set up a damn shield generator!

No, the ships count was in the tens of thousand, 100,000 at its biggest point.

But right now, if an antiproton beam from an array can destroy or disable a star destroyer in 1 to 3 shots. Id say your fleets would be cut to shreds before you could penetrate the shields on any trek ship.

Besides the fact that the borg have hundreds of thousands of ships.

 

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first,a turbolaser doesn't makes a mushroom cloud cuz the energy is absorbed by they enemy ship shields,which are NOT base on any magnets.
second,the antiproton beam is effective,but just how much the ship on which
it's put can hold together when a few hundred ships fire on it?
third,the transport can be blocked by an array of pure natural things,and once the republic or the empire knows of it they will block it.You don't need
transporter technology to block it.
forth,the DS 1 was a failure because it had no real enemy,therefor no real need for protection.The DS2 solved this by building thousands of thermal evac ports millimeters in size all over the the surface.
fifth,the hole you are speaking about in the DS2 was an incomplete part of it.
sixth,WHAT PLANETARY DEFENSES?
trekkies like you tend to think they know everything.and what the hell do you
mean with "you would come within a quarter of a galaxy to any of our planets."?since when the fuck am i in the star wars universe?
the transwarp think is old;you are speaking about star trek: online,not a canon
movie or series,so stop using it.
the transporter is immoral; they KILL you and make a clone of you.Nothing else.NO THANKS.
The feds are communist bastards.where are all the civilian ships?where are
all the ground or air transports? why isn't anyone PAYED?
most are humans,and no human would be like a ST fag,"beyond the need of money".Geen Roddenberry as an asshole socialist when he invented ST.
it was supposed to show a utopia of the future;communist promotes an utopia through the abolition of the separation of powers and civilian freedom;
where are all the elections in ST?
GR also tried to promote communism by putting the federation (communist)
as the good guy and the klingons(imperialism) ,the ferengi (capitalism)
and the romulans (similar to china during the Cold War) to look bad.

Star wars promotes Democracy,individual freedom,anti-imperialism,anti-totalitarianism and everything in between.


you know,you can look at the pool: star wars WINS.
more people like SW than ST. you lose.
you know why?cuz modern people like to watch a documentary about science,rather than watching a stupid series that isn't even accurate.
no matter how you pathetically try, you lose.
you don't even care what i have to say; you are like a christian who made up his minde and now tries to justify it without changing his ideas.
if you can convince me of ST superiority,i will join you,but you are not convincing...not than you would be doing anything else than pissing me of.

and you still didn't answer my question about how fast the feds,borg,klingon
etc would build a 900 km battle station in less than 5 years.
oh,and one last thought:
just how accurate are the aliens in ST?oh, wait, they aren't aliens,they are just people who had a bad haircut day.Noobs.
the ships are poorly design,the plot is lame and boring,the music and the
culture it shows is uninteresting,i could continue but i am bored of writing.
YOU LOSE. live with it.

 

You really are a sore loser aren't you?

Here maybe Ill phrase it in such a simple way that your peabrain can understand.

Anti proton beams are the ultimate weapon, end of story. They literally annihalate matter where plasma weapons just explode on contact.

If you could read I was talking about when the shields were down and direct hits to the hull were being taken. Actually I remember on that gun deck of the republic star destroyer at the beginning of episode three an enemy turbolaser shot nailed one of the guns and the explosion was pretty damn weak nooblet.

Dude, you dont even know basic magnetic physics. Your shields work using layers of electrons compacted together. If they didnt work that way than ion cannons would be absolutely useless against them and wouldnt do any damage.

An ion cannon fires a shot of positively charged particles so when they hit the shield they absorb an nullify a lot of the electrons in your shield array.

And the most effective way to have electrons made into a shield is to use some very strong electromagnets. Why do you think when you see a shield core it has a large set of fans suspended over a shaft with a central core?

Well considering the star trek shields can actually effectively repel antiprotons to an extent, Id say a couple of hours of shelling. Especially considering the sh1tty accuracy of your gunners. You couldnt hit the broadside of a barn from inside.

You need an electromagnetic storm. Which besides the fact is that wed just transport in engineers to paint the AT-AT's from a relatively safe distance, like a few miles?

Also, we have personal shield devices and not the crappy things on droidekas either, like taking a laser cannon to the face and brushing it off.

And also, we could just send the defiant down to blow your land forces sky high.

No real enemy? How bout you explain that to the retard that caused it to be blown up because he felt there was a decent reason to put a hole leading to the center of the death star for no G-d damned reason

But the empire had set a trap and they should have figured out that maybe just putting an inch wide sheet of metal over the damn thing would have saved their asses.

Tell me, if you were in charge of setting up the trap, would you have let it to chance or would you have atleast set up a shield to block it.

Just a little door in the middle of the thing would have been good.

Self replicating mines, starbases, phaser platforms, torpedo platforms, phaser cannons, disruptor cannons. Hell, just a rock set up 1 km before you exist hyperspace would tear your ship in half...

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Well the whole pretend thing here is that the two galaxies somehow sprouted a hole between each other leading to each other. So to win youd have to take over the enemies and for the enemy to win they have to take over yours.

And yet here you are promoting the "peaceful" galactic empire. There are hundreds of thousands of civilian ships and concidering that ground and air transports are used every 3 mission almost, shows that you are unqualified to make this debate because you know nothing of star trek.

As of february 2nd, it's cannon baby

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, suck it.

No, but than again someone as dumb as you would think that. They simply transport you to the ship, it takes you apart piece by piece and reassembles you on the ship. So what exactly? A platoon of stormtroopers would be annihalated in seconds.

Besides the fact that an electromagnetic storm is a very rare event and means youd be in a worse off position than us.

Im sorry, are you mad that he is succesful and you are a failure loser?

Man, you whine like a petulant child. Do you still live with your mother?

Well considering you havent seen a shuttle craft shows me you havent even seen enough episodes to have seen one. Besides the fact that they happen all the time moron. And finally, socialism is the perfect form of government, every person has power over their country, its the corrupt morons like yourself that screw it up for everyone.

So where would you live? The nice utopia of the federation? Or the corrupt star wars where every good government gets inevitable annihalated and enslaved by the sith.

Haha, wow your funny. Where did you graduate? back of your class at special pre-k?

Jesus, you really are an idiot, ITS SCIENCE FICTION, and in case a patriotic nut like you doesnt know, capitalism and imperialism are not perfect and have hurt more people than they have helped in other countries.

What did the child start to cry and figured out he lost? Good for you george, now than, get a life, I suggest the dollar store, get a job, I suggest mcdonalds, and get an education, I suggest community college.

Besides the fact that why would we need some lame ass battlestation with a hole straight into the center to blow it up? Weve got hundreds of thousands, even millions of borg ships.

You must live in a culturally robbed society, you dont accept things other than what you want them to be.

"I lose" my my, look whose making bold statements. you cant even fight off any of my points. And now your trying to call star trek communist.

Star wars has the galactic empire, a totalitarionship, dictatorship, evil, abusive government.

The rebels arent that much better. And every time something new and good comes into star wars it gets stamped out by the evil of the sith.

Thats why star wars is stagnant, when was the last time a race in star wars invented a real new weapon?the laser must have been in use for thousands of years and no one redesigned it to make it better. That kind of a society wants people to conform, and patronizes and criticizes scientists and innovation. That is the definition of fascism.

 

you are the one jumping to conclusions now.
suck my wookie balls ,loser,YOU LOSE!

 

listen fedr808, I AM 17.got it?
i am open minded and ready to accept new ideas.
i have extensive knowledge of star wars and star trek,as well as science.
i can accept that Star Trek is better.

but i won't back up on assholes like you making claims like this with nothing to back up!!
all you have is some argument about pseudoscience.Do you have anything else in you'll
head other than Antiprotons and star trek?
for goodness sake,a game IS A GAME. it's NOT cannon.PERIOD.

i have a question:HOW OLD ARE YOU?
if you would be an adult with any degree in science,you wouldn't be on this thread.
a thing like SW vs ST is a childish thing,even i know that.
this tells me that you are not an adult,or at least not a mature adult.
i KNOW i am not mature; this thread is about personal preference.People like you want
don't seam to understand this.

i don't care about you'll antiprotons;IF i was to take it scientifically,the Federation,Klingon or other governments in ST are not advance enough to use them.
the Borg may be,but the rest not.end of story.

wanna know why i prefer SW instead of ST?
first of all,i like the drama,the action.
in Star Trek,everybody likes to transport instead of taking a shuttle to the ground and
enjoin the trip.They would rather eat a replicated meal rather than a fresh meal.
the advance technology in ST made people annoying.They would take a personal energy field at the beach rather that a shovel and a bucket.
above all else,i don't like how they talk:They always COMPLICATE things in a conversation rather than simplifying it with NORMAL words.
how many times i watch ST and they begin to speak in they'll pseudoscience language
and only making things less understandable for people to understand without needing
scientific knowledge. That's why people who are interests only in science watch it.
people who don't,anyone below my age probably, watch Star Wars,cuz they don make things simple to understand.

now,once i reached 15, i began watching star trek.I said "what the heck,can't be that bad as people say."
well it was, i had no idea what the fuck they are talking about,mostly because they]
always invent scientific therms that make no sense.THAT'S CALLED PSEUDOSCIENCE,
OR FALSE SCIENCE.

people like you tend to compare reality with star trek and assume false things.
things like the cell phone (guess what,the communication device from the original ST
was just a small walky talkie0.
cell phones today are more advance than that,with way more features.
i never saw a camera on kirk's device. nor a internet connection with the ship computer.
i don't care ST is realistic or not,its SF.I don't care if SW is realistic or not.its SF.
i like SF in general,but i have a large dislike for ST because of the above.

i DON'T buy you'll arguments pall,no one but you'll fellow nobs do.
prove you are an adult (IF you are)and admit what i had admitted.
AND STOP USING GAMES ON TO BACK YOU'LL CLAIMS.