Is human cloning good or bad?

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  1. petesteyn Registered Member

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    I recently read in a science journal that we are very close to cloning humans but i wonder whether it would do any good to society. Won't it pose further challenges to the security of the world?
     
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  3. Shadow1 Valued Senior Member

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    i don't think it's a good idea, but for agriculture and future food, it's an exillent idea, also to clon pets, or ingenering new kinds of plants and nimals that can make our life easier and solve some problems,
    but humans, i don't think it's a good idea, but it would be a wonderfull idea to modefy the human, to make him more resictant to desieses and maybe make him stronger,
     
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  5. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    Could you please post a link to that article, thanks.
     
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  7. I want to make my clone be the same age as me and I also want to have option of making it be the opposite sex and modify hair color.
     
  8. I want be able to do that and find a way to be able to use the other 90% of my brain which will probably enable me to move objects with my mind. YAY!!!
     
  9. Exoscientist Mathematician Registered Senior Member

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    Not exactly cloning humans, but here are some articles on the technical and ethical questions about cloning Neanderthals.

    Updated February 11, 2010
    Could Rebuilt DNA Lead to Cloned Neanderthals?
    FOXNews.com
    "As scientists come closer to completing a draft sequence of the Neanderthal genome, creating a living person from an ancient DNA sequence is becoming a real possibility, claims Archaeology Magazine. But what sort of legal rights would he have?"
    http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/02/10/scientists-clone-neanderthals/

    Should We Clone Neanderthals?
    Archaeology Magazine, Volume 63 Number 2, March/April 2010
    by Zach Zorich
    http://www.archaeology.org/1003/etc/neanderthals.html


    Bob Clark
     
  10. Exoscientist Mathematician Registered Senior Member

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    For the enormous ethical questions that arise from cloning humans see:

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    Bob Clark
     
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  11. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    No we aren't, what pop-sci crap did you read that in?

    It took 277 attempts to clone 'Dolly' the sheep. Such a failure rate in humans is unacceptable from an ethical point of view.

    We are nowhere near able to clone humans.
     
  12. clusteringflux Version 1. OH! Valued Senior Member

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    277 is a large number? To you and I, maybe. There's like 3500 abortions performed in the USA EVERY SINGLE DAY, and not for the advance of the human condition or science, so I think you're giving people too much credit
     
  13. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    That was for one sheep. It's not the complete failures with human cloning you have to consider when taking an ethical viewpoint: it's the nearly complete successes.

    Anyway, the idea that we are near success is totally bogus.
     
  14. petesteyn Registered Member

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    Sorry mate I do not have the link to the journal but I do have an interesting link related to it where ppl are hvng some really intrstng conversation abt it. The website is called brewatalk.com. can't post the complete link here, do not have enuf posts.

    I m sure u wud enjoy reading it as much as i did.
     
  15. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    What would be really useful would be the ability to clone body parts rather than complete bodies. No more waiting lists for transplants. Just grow new organs as needed. In fact, there have been a few cases of growing new windpipes (tracheas) for transplant using a donor windpipe as a skeleton and cells from the patient's own body to provide the soft tissue. This avoids the need for the use of immune supressent drugs and is a first step towards creating new organs on demand

    http://www.nydailynews.com/lifestyl...l_transplant_procedure_docs_first_put_it.html
     
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  16. weed_eater_guy It ain't broke, don't fix it! Registered Senior Member

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    Well as for myself and the other 34 of us from good ol' batch #2141PN, we support cloning! :-D You should hear us all sing, we freakishly hit exactly the same notes and everything! *evil laughter, the soul-wrenching sound of 34 identical evil laughs*

    I just don't understand why one would want a clone of themselves? If you were to get yourself cloned, it's not like it would be a photocopy of you or anything, it's just another person that just so happens to look, sound, and ail like you do. Aside from some innate tendencies, the person may be largely different due to diet, upbringing, etc.

    I just fail to understand the practical need for a human clone except some kind of organ-harvest nightmare scenario.
     
  17. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I remember the same kind of good/bad questions about IVF and test tubes babies. Uninformed people making mountains out of molehills.
    I think cloning will be good if it ever happens
     
  18. Pantherine Registered Member

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    Cloning? Thats a very heated debate. On on hand we have the possiblities of growing whole huma bodies full of fresh organs, but on the other hand we have an ethical conflict, who are we to decide that a clone is not as we are, if we clone will we treat them like cattle and slaughter them because we need a new heart?

    As far as close to cloning a human, we could do it right now, we could have done it when we first devised the idea, but with all of the testing, its thrown it back and moved the date to actual human testing ahead many years.

    What many don't relise is that, we treat so many animals in humanly in the search for knowledge, why not, instead of animals, use the human clones for testing, but wait, wouldn't that still be inhumane, the answer is yes.

    Why not instead take the prisoners marked for death row and use them in the testing, why do we let them plead for crimes against their own kind, i say as soon as they commit a crime that has them put on death row, they no longer be considered human, but merely lab animals. Again we have humane issues to deal with, it seems like no matter what option we choose, we must deal with ethical issues

    So cloning humans...I'd say we stick to just making the organs and developing way to keep those organs in a functioning state so that they may be used for transplants and for testing.

    We would also need a vat of DNA taken from every person on the planet, in order to keep the cloning process from outcomes such as genetic deterioration, A clone of a clone of a clone would begin to develop problem. Personally, i prefer natures way of reproduction, its more enjoyable
     
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  19. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    why on earth would we ever clone a whole human?
    Why not split every egg into identical twins, leave one healthy and leave the other with Anencephaly all before birth
     
  20. Pantherine Registered Member

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    Say your body had a debilitaing, musculo-skeletal disease. One would think you would want a new body. I never considered that, but that is an interesting concept, twins, hmmm...But wouldn't that defeat the pourpose?
     
  21. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    what purpose. There is me (the healthy twin) and the spare parts (the twin with a body and no brain, just a stem to keep the body functioning). Basically me and a living cadaver
     
  22. Pantherine Registered Member

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    It is a good idea, but for me, someone that lost my twin before birth, it seems cruel, plus, think of the affects on the parent of the child and the "spare parts" as you said. I will not berate you with insults or anything, because that would acheive nothing more than getting me reported and thrown off this wonderful site. I will say that, it is a good idea, i just can't see it from a good ethical stand point. Keep thinking outside the box
     
  23. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    But the parent would sign up for it. They have to agree to have the egg split into twins and one of them left with just a stem. That body has no brain and isn't self aware. It doesn't see, hear, talk, feel, etc. And how would it be any crueler than an abortion?
     
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