Morality Question of the Day - 12/01/09

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by Thoreau, Dec 1, 2009.

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Is it immoral to avoid members of a race with higher murder rates?

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  2. NO

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  1. Thoreau Valued Senior Member

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    This is a special one due to the debates between SAM and I lately.

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    If any single race commits more murder than all other race (not combined), is it immoral to avoid members of that race?

    (Yes or No, only. If any other opinion, please don't vote.)

    EDIT: Sorry about the CAPS on the poll. Finger stuck.
     
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  3. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    well, I know I'd avoid them. If a certain race was committing most of the murders in my area, I'd avoid them. It would be no different than avoiding a certain gang or biker group.
     
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  5. CutsieMarie89 Zen Registered Senior Member

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    No it wouldn't be immoral. Narrowminded perhaps, but not immoral.
     
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  7. kurros Registered Senior Member

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    It would be extremely different, people generally CHOOSE to be part of a gang or biker group, so there is a high probability that members of such a group share violent tendencies. People do NOT choose their race, and for you to treat such a group differently because of the actions of a very small, but perhaps highly visible, subset of the group over which the others have no control is immoral in my opinion. I admit that it is very hard to avoid this mindset, but it is an incorrect application of statistics and is scientifically unsound.
     
  8. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    That depends.. How much more?

    Narrow-minded? Why? Seems like common sense to me.
     
  9. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    This is very strange. My response to this thread directed at me has been deleted.

    Apparently we are not allowed to decide which race has higher murder rates and whether they can be avoided.

    I will PM the response to MZ
     
  10. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    SAM:

    I deleted a post by you that started talking about your pet topic: Israel. It was off topic, so I deleted it.

    If you wish to post on the topic you may do so.
     
  11. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Actually I was referring to American troops but neither was mentioned. It was also a direct response to MZ's [an American troop] pet theory on race avoidance as a measure of self defence.

    Please quit misinterpreting my posts.
     
  12. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Ok SAM. I'll repost the relevant parts of your post and cut out the off-topic parts:

    There you go.
     
  13. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Its okay, I messaged MZ the original post

    Ironic that this is a thread on ethics where the admin selectively manipulates the post to only show the responses he agrees with.

    edit: its also ironic that you thought of Israel when I did not.

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  14. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    SAM:

    I took another look at your post. Actually, I think you were probably thinking about Pakistan. Either way, it's your usual anti-Israel or anti-American crusade.
     
  15. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I think you should quit interpreting my posts, it seems you lack the facility to arrive at the right conclusions. And this is a thread on the justification for racism after all.
     
  16. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    If any race commits more murders?

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  17. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    madant, do you know if are they killing mostly their own race or other races?
     
  18. CutsieMarie89 Zen Registered Senior Member

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    I said perhaps as in it could be. Would you avoid a 3 year old of that race? If so , that would be silly not common sense. As 3 year olds rarely commit homicide regardless of race. So yes if you avoided all members of that race regardless of age, then your thinking would have to be a bit linear.
     
  19. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Based on my own stay in the US I would ask, how do we know that graph does not represent the racism against blacks?

    Aren't blacks more likely to be arrested, indicted, convicted and given longer sentences?

    It'd be interesting to see what a post-black President graph looks like.
     
  20. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    that's what happens when you kill people. :shrug:
     
  21. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    You mean as compared to when you kill lots and lots of people

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    Around 50% of murder victims are black.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20203888/

    As to your question, most homicides are intra-racial

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    And most repeat offenders are whites:

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    http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm
     
  22. Thoreau Valued Senior Member

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    Keep in mind people, this is a hypothetical question. I'm not saying that it is true. There isn't really any need to get into specific current crime rates. But hey, if you really want to, go ahead. lol
     
  23. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    I seriously doubt that racism could account for much of the 700 percent difference in murder rates.Consider the fact that Gary IN, Detroit Michigan, and Washinton DC are usually in the running for murder capitals of the world. They are all largely black areas and many (if not most) of the police are black as well. Do you believe the black police are racist against other blacks? Or that they would sit by and let the white police officers frame a bunch of people for murder?
    The murder rate will probably be unchanged or even up.
     

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