History of the Holocaust

So, are you saying the holy war between the Christians, Muslims and Jews is over? When did that happen?

 

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Mussolini, who you most likely know nothing about, was certainly an Atheist. He only said he converted at a strategic time. you would have to be an imbecile to believe him plus he, like i said, followed his fathers lead. Dad was an Atheist.

Hitler, pioneer of propaganda, was raised as a christian but so were\many people. there is page after page of expert witnesses (his inner sanctum) where his true feelings were well established. unless you know more than his right hand men. and maybe you do.

 

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You should read Mein Kampf, words from the horses mouth, so to speak.

 

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I never said he wasn't. But he couldn't heedless go after the church. Its to enmeshed in Italian life.

You can be catholic and hate the church. The mere fact he disliked religions power doesn't alter his own faith. Did he practice probably not but without renouncing the church he was still a part of it.

 

Most of those wars weren't about religion. Religion was merely an excuse.

 

And, chickens have lips.

 

so the fact that the middle east sat on the greatest nexus of trade routes through out history up until the age of exploration had nothing to do with it?

 

Oh God no... we've been through this already...Hitler was a Christian. End of story.

 

Welll...actually he repudiated it, in private at least.

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The interesting thing is that SAM want to equate the Palestinian situation with the Native Americans, and forget the major difference between the facts.

Native Americans are not out committing suicide bombings, murder, and mayhem, against their fellow Americans and neighbors, and have integrated themselves into the fabric of the American Nation, and in doing so, have negated the need for any injunction on their freedoms.

 

Thats because they gave up. And are committing slow suicide instead.

I'm sure you'd be very pleased if the Palestinians also gave up and submitted to ethnic cleansing. I recall you considered this to be the "best of both worlds"

 

SAM, what ethnic cleansing? show me any such thing going on in the U.S. today, the Native Americans have a vibrant and living culture, I am proud to be a part of it, and it's resurgence.

Now can you tell me why the Palestinians are excluded from Israel?

I can list several thousands of reasons, and all of them having to do with the murderous attacks by the Palestinian on Israel, and the fact that the Palestinians refuses to make or keep any peace agreement, only the Hudna.

So why are you surprised that they are scrutinized and segregated as a danger to the Israelis? If Native Americans went around America, committing suicide bombing, launching rockets from their reservations, and carrying on a war against the rest of the Americans what do you think would be done to them?

But The Native Americans don't and there are no restrictions on their Lives, Movements, where they wish to live, or where their wish to work, We are free to go anywhere in America, and become anything we wish to be, why? because there is Peace, and we have relegated the past to History.

Really, I think it is more;

"I tell you the past is a bucket of ashes, so live not in your yesterdays, nor just for tomorrow, but in the here and now. Keep moving and forget the post mortems; and remember, no one can get the jump on the future." -


-- Carl Sandburg

 

Buffalo do you believe that people have a right NOT to be colonised? Do you?

What do the statistics [i.e. reality] of the native Americans tell you? Is there a genocide in progress?

 

bad example. The Us recognized the natives rights which ended any need for violence to acheive their objectives. The Israelis steadfastly oppose recognizing the palestinians rights which makes violence needed to defend their rights and Israel supresses the much larger non violent movements.

 

Israel has no troops stationed in Gaza, Gaza exists as an independent state recognized by Israel. Their elected government is HAMAS, it's given a name because HAMAS existed before Gaza was a recognized state.

 

Independent states get to decide what comes into or out of their country. Gaza and the palestinians are about as independent as the Sorbs are.

 

Do Gazans need to carry an ID card from Israel for purposes of entering and leaving Gaza? Like the Teudat Zehut? Do all Palestinians carry the same ID card or are there different ones for those in Gaza, West Bank, Jerusalem and Israel?

What is the reason for this?

What do you think of the Jews being asked to carry identification during WWII? Or at various other times in history?

 

Israelis can't enter Palestine. When they declare war on them, they can.

I have to carry a passport to go to Mexico and back, if anything that's a sign of sovereignty not a sign against.

 

Which part?

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Do you have to carry a different coloured one from the native Americans?

 

Really? and what happened between 1890 the end of the Indian wars and 1924? the Indian wars were over for 25 years, no attacks.

Now how about the next 40 years, rights for Native Americans really didn't become universal until the Civil Rights Acts of the 60tys.

Did the Native Americans continue a war that ended in 1890? Did they send out suicide bombers to attack Americans? Did they launch rockets from the reservations? no---they took the long road, and in the end we survived and prospered, the culture has reemerged, the pride is back, and the past is just what it is, the Past, a bucket of cold ash.

That is what is necessary for the Arabs of Palestine, and that is what they are Arabs, and they have been meanly used by their Fellow Arabs and Muslims for political purpose, but in the end the only hope is for the Palestinians to recognize that they have lost, make Peace, and move into the Future.

If they want their rights recognized, they must make it so their rights can be recognized, and to continue to send suicide bombers, rockets and missiles into Israel will not get then any rights, only more death and destruction, and until they recognize the rights of Israel, and the Jews, why should Israel give them a break? when all it does in end up with the death of more Israelis?


Other wise nothing will change, and in end the Mushrooms will bloom, and they will die with the Jews.