First Doses of H1N1 flu vaccine shipping

Discussion in 'Health & Fitness' started by EndLightEnd, Oct 6, 2009.

  1. John99 Banned Banned

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    if you really think about it, unemotionally and rationally and without an agenda. then how can a flu vaccine hurt a human?

    i have never had a flu shot, not sure why.
     
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  3. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I wish more of the vaccines would get here. Area schools have been closed for a week (including my daughter's) due to illness.
    On Monday my daughter walked into her 1st period science class which normally has 28 students, to see that she was one of 7. They canceled the rest of the week and have a cleaning service in.
    One by one, area schools started closing, even area colleges.

    Is it really that bad or just overreacting?
     
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  5. CutsieMarie89 Zen Registered Senior Member

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    I live in one of the largest cities in the world and not a single thing has been closed down. I'm sitting in school right now. Some people are sick, but with nothing serious, just colds and the like. I wish they'd close school.
     
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  7. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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  9. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    I didn't say it was. It's a one in a million chance with the flu shot (Congratulations!!), however since they have absolutely no idea why it happens there is no reason to believe it won't happen with with the H1N1 flu shot(which is really just another strain).

    I play the lottery for MONEY about twice a year, not for Dystonia!

    I'll pass on the flu shot thanks. I'm healthy. Unhealthy people can go ahead and get the flu shot if the flu would endanger their life, that makes sense. Everyone getting the flu shot is fucking stupid.
     
  10. Repo Man Valued Senior Member

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    You're still playing the lottery. There are only two ways to become immune to the H1N1 flu - having the actual flu, or having the vaccine. Having the flu entails risk; it can be a serious illness, even in young people who were perfectly healthy prior to being infected. Even if you are perfectly healthy, the chances for serious complications from the flu are statistically much greater than the chances of complications from the flu vaccine. You could be lucky, and completely avoid being infected. But the news reports are confirming that the H1N1 is more virulent than most seasonal influenza, which means the odds of avoiding it completely aren't in your favor.

    It's interesting that you have such faith in your immune system's ability to either prevent you from contracting the flu in the first place, or to keep it down to the level of a trivial sickness of no consequence, but feel at the same time that your immune system could be destroyed by the H1N1 vaccine.
     
  11. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    It's got nothing to do with all of that really, I'm philosophically opposed to a dependence on drug companies from year to year (they'd like us to be on two shots year to year now...CHACHING!)

    Also if you read the articles on that story, she ALSO got the flu virus. It happens more often then you'll ever see anyone with their hand in this money scheme admit. You get the flu shot and STILL get it. Waste of time, resources and possibly, health.
     
  12. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    considering I have never won the lottery, I guess my chances of getting H1N1 are slim as well. I have even slimmer chances of dying from it.
     
  13. CheskiChips Banned Banned

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    If you read the article you'd realize the following;
    1. Whatever she has was very unlikely trigger by the vaccination.
    2. It's not even dystonia.
     
  14. Repo Man Valued Senior Member

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    That is common knowledge, and no one makes any effort to deny it.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza

    Of course, the post hoc fallacy rules with that one. Message boards are full of anecdotes of people who got the flu vaccine, and then developed the flu anyway, and are now irrevocably convinced that the vaccination was responsible. "Some people, if they don't already know something, you can't tell 'em." - Yogi Berra

    Sometimes people who make an effort to practice safe sex still become infected with HIV; does that make (for one example) condom usage a waste of time? In spite of seatbelts and other safety devices, people still die in auto accidents; does this mean that seatbelts and air bags are a waste of time and money?
     
  15. Repo Man Valued Senior Member

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    Life is full of lotteries that you do not want to win.
     
  16. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    Oooh now we are comparing to HIV.

    Listen, they make an HIV Vaccine, I'll take it. Until then(and beyond for that matter), I won't fuck men or slutty bitches. Heck I actually practice an ancient custom of fucking one woman that I trust, to not be fucking people fresh off the boat from Africa or wherever.

    So with the flu, which I have gotten ONCE in like 10 years (Yes the year I did try the flu shot - 2004), what I do is avoid people who have it, wash my hands and work out with gloves on. When I am sick I stay the fuck home. Anyone who fires you for staying home with the flu or having your kids stay home is not worth working for under any circumstances.

    And yes we are ALL likely to eventually get H1N1, regardless of the flu shot for it or not. If not this year...then next year's strain or the next until it can no longer affect us because a large % of the population has an IMMUNE SYSTEM THAT CAN FIGHT IT OFF.

    (Vaccine as in the disease is GONE...like say the polio vaccine, the flu "vaccine" is not really a vaccine IMO)
     
  17. Repo Man Valued Senior Member

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    No, I'm not comparing it to HIV. I'm talking about a risk/benefit analysis. That's why I also made the comparison of auto safety devices. You seem to be holding the flu vaccine to an unrealistically strict standard of acceptable risk, while downplaying the risk of actually being infected with the flu. You said that people sometimes still get infected with the flu after having received the vaccination, as though this proves it is useless. My point was that safety precautions are rarely 100% effective, and that in spite of taking sensible precautions against HIV, people still get infected - does that mean these precautions are useless?

    The capability of fighting off the flu doesn't mean all that much. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. Complications such as secondary infections like sinusitis, bronchitis and even pneumonia are not uncommon, even with healthy people. "That which does not kill you, makes you stronger" doesn't apply here.
     
  18. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    Ahhh the Risk/benefit analysis, Seatbelts...an apt comparison, we see the not-so-invisible hand of corporate America behind this increasing imposing flu shot business and of course health insurance companies will soon demand insurers HAVE that flu shot. Less risk, less cost, perhaps even profit for the corporate machine. The cogs in the machine(you) stay at work more, cost less in maintenance/repairs per unit of production and well frankly lose a little more of their freedom. Oh well, we have a more efficient machine.

    You know why they don't know why these side effects happen with the flu shot...there's no money in it. No one involved with the flu shot, gives a fuck about your health really.
     
  19. CheskiChips Banned Banned

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    Paranoia is a bigger risk than the flu, you've come down with that one...why didn't you take the necessary precautions? Such as read a book, talk to your doctor, listen to non-partisan people on the issue. If you ask them...most say it's a good investment...especially if you're at high risk.
     
  20. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    Thought you had me on ignore...
     
  21. CheskiChips Banned Banned

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    I click view when responses don't make sense.
     
  22. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    Whatever Pal you directly replied my cheerleader turned-invalid story.

    BTW it was Guillain–Barré syndrome that probably affected her. Not sure who told her it was Dystonia...whatever.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillain–Barré_syndrome
    I'm just hoping they be honest about the number affected this time...There have been several reported in Canada to the regular flu shot.
     
  23. The Esotericist Getting the message to Garcia Valued Senior Member

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    I agree with nietzschefan, it is a complicated ploy by the military, government, corporate elites to accomplish several things simultaneously.

    First, they wish to make money. Their second aim is population reduction. Some of these links you will need to use a translator like google translate, as this information was only available in Czech. I wouldn't trust Baxter International with my life, that is for sure. And as for Novartis? Hell, their connections with the political elites run far, wide and deep. The naivite', and just plan lack of research into these issues, is, well, stunning.

    Peoples willingness to trust the "authorities," whether they be medical, political, or corporate, is galling. The media can't be trusted. You need to do a little research, and never assume anything.

    I thank EndLightEnd for raising awareness of this timely topic and trying to help humanity. For those seeking the truth, I provide the following links.
    Welcome to vaccination education!

    An american pharma Baxter vaccine against flu found contaminated by H5N1 virus in several European countries

    In the Czech Republic got the vaccine infected deadly bird flu virus

    http://zpravy.idnes.cz/rakouska-ptaci-chripka-sla-do-ceska-i-nemecka-fmn-/domaci.asp?c=A090303_214331_domaci_abr

    http://www.ceskenoviny.cz/zpravy/kontaminovana-vakcina-se-testovala-nejen-v-cr/363674

    Inventory Uncovers 9,200 More Pathogens
    Laboratory Says Security Is Tighter, but Earlier Count Missed Dangerous Vials


    Novartis wants Chiron
    $4.5 billion bid for biotech firm


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    I found this to be a VERY informative page. I have agonized over the decision to get a vaccination for a while. I have a seven year old I love very much, and this is a very serious issue. I don't want MY paranoia of the whole system to affect his life. I just want to be safe. Am I imagininging things?

    But you know, in the end, I guess it all comes down to, what do the elites know? What are they doing? You know?

    If this isn't something THEY wouldn't put into THEIR children, and into themselves? Why the hell would I want it in me?

    http://whitehouse.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/10/08/first-daughters-not-vaccinated-against-h1n1/
     

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