What should Obama do about Iran?

Discussion in 'World Events' started by sandy, Sep 26, 2009.

  1. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    They did keep it secret, that fact is not controversial. If they didn't want to use it for nukes, why the secrecy? Obviously, you are willing to give this Islamic nation a pass because for some strange reason you trust this terrorist dictator more than America.
     
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  3. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Are they obliged to inform the IAEA about their plants? Does everyone else?

    I think they should just quit the NPT then they will be on equal footing with Israel
     
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  5. sandy Banned Banned

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    Tomorrow sees the start of a historic process with potentially earth-shattering consequences as Iran begins official talks with 6 world powers about its nuclear program. If it does not produce results that satisfy Israel, the Jewish state could be tempted to attack Iran's nuclear facilities...

    http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-10/01/content_12138158.htm
     
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  7. StrawDog disseminated primatemaia Valued Senior Member

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    OK. It would be interesting though.
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    The hype around the secret nuclear installation is classic pretext creation. It is very likely that Obama & Co. need the talks to fail to achieve his objective. Ie. isolating and emasculating Iran. It is patently clear that there will be a walk out by the West when the nuclear issue is raised. Before ANY chance of wider talks that the Iranians want to focus on, as per the official response document that was sent.
     
  8. StrawDog disseminated primatemaia Valued Senior Member

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    As noted the "secrecy" card is contrived. I am bringing attention to hypocrisy, lies and double standards. Why has Israel A. not declared their nuke stash, and B. not been held accountable?

    Besides the fact that Iran is historically a peaceful nation, and has not initiated ANY war in hundreds of years.
     
  9. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    They are currently fighting a war by proxy with Israel. Israel has not signed any treaties limiting their nuclear capability, besides the fact that they are an ally of the US.
     
  10. StrawDog disseminated primatemaia Valued Senior Member

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    Hopefully sanity will prevail, so that a tragedy like Iraq is avoided. Although irrational by nature, which is dangerous, Israel is not necessarily up to the job. Given that this scenario has been hot news for years, the current odds are stacked out in this paper:
    (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1085619.html)
     
  11. StrawDog disseminated primatemaia Valued Senior Member

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    So, in that case, if Iran invalidates and pulls out of the NPT, they are of the hook? :m:
     
  12. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    To some degree, yes. But the world will turn against them even more than now. Like North Korea.
     
  13. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I wouldn't depend on that. The world needs oil more than it needs another war.
     
  14. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    And Iran needs to sell it more than they need nukes.
     
  15. StrawDog disseminated primatemaia Valued Senior Member

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    So either way, they just can`t win. That makes sense.
     
  16. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    And, so far as I can tell from your link, is in complete agreement with my summary of their position.

    Nonsense. There is no precedent whatsoever for Parlaimentary/Congressional ratification of IAEA Subsidiary Arrangements, In Iran or elsewhere. The unmodified Code 3.1 Subsidiary Arrangement that Iran now claims is in force was no more ratified than the modified version they agreed to. Nor has any other IAEA member state ever subjected a Subsidiary Arrangement to a ratification process.

    In particular, Iran has never before held that Subsidiary Arrangements require ratification. It has made numerous such modifications before, without raising the issue of ratification, either domestically or internationally. If taken seriously, Iran's position is now that none of the IAEA Subsidiary Arrangements are legally binding. Which would actually be a more extreme breach of treaty relations than a single undeclared enrichment facility.

    Let's also note that the Safeguard Agreement itself (which Iran did ratify) is explicit that Subsidiary Arrangements do not count as Amendments to the Safeguard Agreement (which would require ratification).
     
  17. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    If they pull out of the treaty, we must assume their intentions are militaristic. At least now they are making a show of wanting peace.
     
  18. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Not if they do it because the treaty conditions are not being fulfilled

    Iran threatens to pull out of NPT

     
  19. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    What conditions? Because the world wants inspections of it's nuclear facilities? They are not fooling anyone. It's a game.
     
  20. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    What game? They are not the ones being investigated for war crimes

    Besides, the Persians are strategists. 99% they'll come up with a way that is peaceful to deal with it.
     
  21. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    They supply Hamas with the weapons shot at Israelis, which led to Israeli actions, so they are not innocent. Everyone is a strategist.
     
  22. StrawDog disseminated primatemaia Valued Senior Member

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    But no inspections for Israel?
     
  23. StrawDog disseminated primatemaia Valued Senior Member

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    The source for this statement?
     

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