Star Wars vs Star Trek

Actually the engagement with Grievous' battleship coming under fire was going for HOURS before Kenobi and Skywalker arrived from the Outer Rim to perform their heroic deeds. The Invisible Hand's shields were carefully blasted away and no other ship attacked untill the point in the plan where a cruiser was supposed to Broadside the vessel to provide a distraction.

 

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Actually, The Avenger easily survived the asteroid hit in ESB. As we see later it was chasing the Millenium Falcon it ridge tower intact though with some sensor damage, evident by it losing the Flacon. As for the the fire retardent it's not water but a foam. Probably sprayed using repulsor tecnology

Unlike ST vessels SW vessels are built to survive multiple escape and reentry into dnese atmosperes and heavy gravity wells. These vessels are designed to not only support their weight but be able to withstand weaponry far superior to anything we have witnessed on Earth. Even a vessel as damaged as the Invisible hand was pretty much guaranteed to impact the ground more or less whole.

 

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point well taken :bravo:

andromeda would finish off ST SW SG combined lol

 

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no, i dont mean that it wont work. What i mean is that water resistance will pull the wire down.

Maybe if you went too fast it may snap... but thatd probly be 20+ knots and youd either have to be a seawolf or a total freaking moron to attempt that.

But the water resistance would definitely drag the wire down.

 

Yah but the whole assumption that it could survive is off the fact it was using its brakes. Which got ripped off as i recall. Which to be hoenst, what kind of dumbass thought it would be a good idea to use air brakes in space? And what kind of dumbass thought that there would be any air to pull off the second part of the ship

 

andromeda strain. very good movie

 

andromeda strain is indeed a good movie with the mutating virus and all , but i was actually referring to Gene Roddenberrys Andromeda.

same creator but far more superior then ST. I'm curently wachting season 3.

 

fedr808 and Kittamaru will you PLEASE STOP fucking feeding each other further off-topic conversation to respond to? WTF is your problem that you can't understand after it was mentioned twice already?? PM the shit to each other or whatever you have to do but show some goddamn consideration for people who'd rather NOT need to weed through your water vessel combat crap!

 

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what ever you say TW Scott. Unless there was a memo sent that described this technology to everyone who watched this scene so they understood that something falling out of the sky isn't moving too fast for the air resistance to AT LEAST change the angle they need to spray it from, then its just one enormously stupid idea of many that should have been left out.

[edit] wait... did somebody mention air brakes?

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That's really amazing how they can feed SW fans ANY stupid shit and they not only accept it, they eat it up. :crazy:

 

Yah they tried to use air brakes in space, and than the thing cracked in half, so much for structural strength, your air brakes tore your ship in half, and the awesome part was THERE WAS NO FUCKING AIR.

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LOL fedr808, you crack me up. Just when I think I don't like you, you do or say something that I totally agree with. :bravo:

And I like how you worded this against SW... such silly junk ends up in their movies. If I started from the beginning, Star Wars had quite little things that were not respectable. Empire, also not much... because having seen these two so many times, discrepancies probably were missed, and overall I had a good feeling about both. I loved seeing Leia at the controls of the Falcon going back for Luke... awesome. What a SHAME they didnt give her a more powerful roll, and showed some strength in her character. That character could have been way better if only she played a more vital role in SOMETHING.

But then ROTJ came out. Boy where did all the best things I loved from SW go? The 3 movies afterwards... well Im glad to say I didnt commit hardly anythig from these movies to memory. But lets take this moment to say what I remember...
Leia coming to get Han from the Carbonite - AWESOME entrance scene. Luke battling the big monster in the pit... awesome scene. Throwing people into the mouth of the desert creature - didn't like that scene. Jaba was the worst fake looking of all creatures. Lets see, what else happened? The big forest chase, awesome. The teddy bears. NOT. The rest of the scenes on that planet, lame. Space combat as always - at least SW pretty much perfected most of that stuff. Going thru DS2 for the kill, awesome.

For the last 3 releases, I remember the line "I can't believe we fell for this." which Im sure a SW fan would argue it was made up to pretend they were caught off guard. And I remember Anakin jumping out of a window like 50 stories high. just without looking or timing it or anything... just out he went. I remember of course the ship that caught fire and the crash landed. We're believe that anyone on board would be okay? Oh the scene with Anakin and Obi Wan and that chick in the arena, brought up in a recent discussion of her being hot, (as if any woman could compare to Seven) and lame how they didnt even hide her effort to pick her locks. Great monsters, decent idea, REALLY bad effort filming it.

I rememeber not liking the idea of the wookie planet, but somewhere in the movie there was this thing rolling around and Obi Wan was on a long monster thing and the sounds were awesome, the scene I enjoyed. there was the battle of Obi Wan and Anakin, and we're to believe that nothing mattered more than continuing the battle no matter how dangerous that environment becomes. REALLY stupid.

I'd mention JarJar but that sucker looked REALLY realistic. Don't care how people say he's annoying, but to me - NOT as annoying as a little fat creature with tiny wings that can float, as if those tiny wings could lift him. And a few other things are coming back to me - Yoda in flip-mode was cool, but him hanging on for dear life when in a different scene, Anakin feels its safe to jump out of a window? Just force float down FFS! Oh, the whole Fett idea was WAY fuckin dumb. (I just watched a bit at youtube) Obi Wan kicks him over the edge while his hands are still tethered to him, and says "Oh, not good" which I HATE when movies from 'long time ago' use terms or phrases that are so 'trademark 20th Century Earth.' 'Not Good' is (probably) an original Goose line from the flat spin scene in Top Gun.

And I guess I'll wrap up this look back at what I remember with the Fett space battle in yet another asteroid belt. Great - they make the best scenes, and there's some good ideas, but obviously nobody got a grasp on the idea of 'enough is enough' which in this scene is evident in the missile chase. omfg that is the oldest 'smart bullet' type situation ever to be overdone... it's ALWAYS stupid when the projectile follows its target for too long. But if that bit didnt ruin it for me, the Fett&son team which reminded me of a mexican gangster from East L.A. surely did, only I have no distrespect for mexican gangsters. Using this character personality in the movie, just like Obi Wan with that accent... just... a couple of things among way too many for me to respect the writers/directors/whatevers in the making of the last three.

Of course the rest - bits and pieces, I hardly remember. Aside from Mace being the coolest character, the rest of those movies weren't worth remembering.

 

considering they had pretty much no steering and their engines were in the section that got its ass ripped off by non existant air, its a miracle that Anakin could fly the goddamned ship straight.

If a ship can be ripped in half because of using air brakes without any air, how the hell does it survive around a mach 11 collision with the ground?

 

It doesnt. TW Scott just likes to give us an excuse for how it might, which it shouldn't, and nornally it wouldn't but thats the level of integrity I find insulting in a sci-fi movie.

 

And there is significant evidence that the shields and weaponry of a SW ship are much much weaker than possibly thought.

Take a look at star wars empire at war, it is developed by lucas arts which is an offshoot of lucasfilms so it IS canon, and one of the weapons a planet mounted railgun facility fire a projectile that can not only pierce SW shields but deal about a good 1/3 damage to a capitol ship. This is in fact a kinetic projectile which ST would never have a problem deflecting.

But considering that this kinetic porjectile does so much damage compared to 2 turbolaser batteries, it goes to show you that their shields are pathetically weak (the fact a kinetic porjectile can shoot straight through ti with no problems) and weaponry are pathetically weak (that even if the shields were down, the average damage done by turbolasers takes an absurd amount of time to destroy a chunck of the ship.

 

I'd only believe it though, if it wasn't for the billion trillion jillion mega super giga turbos.
:bugeye:

 

yah, but chances are thats the power they are putting INTO their offensive grid, not whats coming out. Their efficiency is pathetically low.

Look at the death star, it has to be the size of a fucking moon to blow up a planet.

Now look at 8472, what is it? 9 fighter sized ships can take out a planet?

Theyre offensive systems are totally inefficient. So much so the borg probly woudlnt even waste the energy to assimilate them.

 

Maybe the Borg would make use of the DS base for bulkhead material. :shrug:

Either way, and as I keep saying... those SW weapons suck regardless because the best they can do for targetting is sit atop a really slow turret. Any craft with maneuverability can avoid being hit just by not flying in a straight line. I bet every target hit by a star destroyer was a lucky shot.

Oh well. I guess this argument wasn't meant to last forever. ST FTW

 

YOu keep saying this... yet you can't back it up. You fail.

 

Uhm... not really... considering they use it all the time nowadays. Granted, you can't go at flank speed, but you can move pretty quick.

 

There is a magic little thing called an ignore button... use it...? :shrug::m:

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