Palestinian PM: We'll form de facto state by 2011

Yay!! This is the right step at this stage of the process. Deal with the logistics of what the borders are later. Create the state now.

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Me likee this Fayyads thinking :yay:

 

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Fascinating.
I doubt it'll get far. But it's a start.
Because the raids on Gaza tend to discourage any infrastructure. Especially those related to culture.

 

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They'll probably assassinate him but at least the direction has changed. The code words of importance are water and energy sources. Guess who holds them now.

 

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Seems like a step forward to me, assuming anything materialises.

Is there really enough traffic to justify 2 airports though?

 

Where is the other airport?

 

Well, there's the Ben Gurion International airport, and:

 

You mean the Israeli airport? Why should an Israeli airport be a consideration for a Palestinian state? I thought they were planning one for Gaza as well since it is criminal what they have to go through at the 700 checkpoints.

Might be easier to just fly over from Ramallah to Gaza instead.

 

I'm not questioning the methodology, just whether it would be commercially viable.

 

It most definitely would since Palestinians in the West Bank do not get permission to go to Ben Gurion airport or Israel. Or even East Jerusalem.

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http://www.fmreview.org/FMRpdfs/FMR26/FMR2611.pdf

If they leave the West Bank or Gaza without permission they can never return.

 

I'm just saying that before you shell out the kind of money it takes to build and operate an international airport (which is coming from where btw?) that you should probably do research to find out if its likely to be profitable.

 

I'm sure 5.5 million people with no means of exit or entry outside occupied territory by land or water can manage to make one airport profitable. And thats not counting the other 5 million who would like to come visit them.

 

Hmm, ok fair enough.
Still don't see who's going to pay for it though.

 

The same nations who donated their land, of course.

Who else? I recommend at least 3 billion a year, indefinitely.

 

I don't know who would pay for it, that's why I just asked you.

 

As posted in the OP:

I think Saudi Arabia and the EU have recently promised aid to the PA, but with Israel still strangling the economy, it remains to be seen how they can use it.

 

O, I know. It's Australia right ?
We might as well, since we back the US in every UN vote.

 

This is a 180 degree turnaround from decades of doing the exact opposite. Good. Build your self a de-facto apparatus. Being a country is not based on declarations, it is based on being a country. Having state infrastructure. Israel was already a de-facto state for decades on the day of its declaration. You (Fayyad) is undoubtedly using Israel's example.

Well, good for him. Let's see how far it gets.

 

Yeah to bad its wasn't built by Israel. Taking other people's hard work the basis of a country honestly people. and they have tried to do so in the past but were alweays prevented usually by Israel or jordan.

 

this might just spark a war with Israel and it would be one that wouldn't have western backing. You know the palestinians are going to use force to open the settlements to all and you know Israel is going to invade(probably with the intent to annex I don't they have ever been in a war where their wasn't some attempt to get land out of it) to "protect" the settlers their despite it is in fact illegal for them to be there. This might provide the spark needed to start of the chain of events that will get peace between Israel and those it opresses.

 

What exactly are you talking about?

Jews in pre-Israel Palestine worked very hard on creating infrastructure on almost barren land, with the British occupation and Arab terrorists doing massacres and sabotage.

The difference between those Jews and today's fake so-called people called "Palestinians" is that the Jews really really wanted a country. They wanted self-governance. They wanted independence. So they went and got it. They built it with their own hands. But given the decades of "Palestinians'" foregoing the many opportunities and countless dollars (and franks, and marcs, and other Western money) thrown at them, it is without a doubt when many people say that they don't want a state. They want to kill the Jews, push them to the sea, but they don't really want self-governance and the responsibility that comes with it -- taxes, garbage picking, civil society, court system not ruled by the gun / fist, etc.

Fayyad, a guy who has NO base or political support, is a westernized technocrat who is in the tiny minority of "Palestinians" who actually DO want a state, and so he is building one. I wish him luck.