Star Wars vs Star Trek

you mean for Kids ? Nahhh they are my reason for living

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She also wound up assimilated as a result... heh.

 

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Uhm... it does. Because they can make certain it happens the same way - they've done it before (ergo, in Voyager)

 

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My point exactly... even though he was (going by the movies) highly suspicious in both physical and emotional ways... even an untrained betazed like Troi could have figured out he was a lying sack of shit

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Hey, time travel is complex and it's intricacies are many and difficult - can't take it, don't argue it

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Okay, fine - a modern group of seal teams would have kicked their ass via grenades and suppression fire, destroying the ewoks via superior tactics and weapons.

 

And, here, Plot determines Canon determines Capability... you can't simply take things out of context at will mate.

 

Training.

 

You're right, here.

 

I love how people denigrate the Ewoks. It's silly really. Those small alienas were every bit as strong as a normal human despite being only half the height and 1/8th the total mass. The Ewoks also were a warrior/hunter race who often fought and defeated creatures on par with wookies and gamoreans. The Ewoks also had the home terrian advantage, Impressive engineering skills and sheer numbers.

There were 1500 hundred Ewoks, 50 Rebel Commandoes and the Leadership of not just the three Rebel legends but 4 Ewok legends as well. The Imperial side had roughly 500 StormTroopers. In todaysd terms that would be 1500 army rangers, 50 Navy SEALS, and 7 Action Hero equivalents versus 500 marines with only 3 light vehicles in support. It would be a slaughter. As it was the Ewoks still lost over 300 of their number.

 

Actually, no.

 

So an AT-ST or AT-PT is equivalent to a modern day HMMWV then? Good to know - that means an AT-AT is, at best, an APC

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Also, since when were the Ewoks anywhere NEAR the equal to modern day Army Rangers... I mean really... Rangers are the epitome of "get in quick, get out unseen" and all around stealth ass kickery... the Ewoks used LOGS to squish an AT-ST... nothing stealthy, nor ass-kicking, about that... just... pathetic really. Not the using logs part... just... the fact that it worked.

 

why ridiculous? shielding that protects from temporal incursions were present in Isaac Asimov's "End of Eternity". seams only logical that every time fairing race/culture would sooner or later have to rely on something like this to keep things in order and prevent catastrophic changes in the time line/s.

for the record, i think Palpatine was not lying, and a legion of troops was at the generator site in general. however they were probably scattered all over the area with at least on AT-AT being on guard near the landing pods.

 

It's not ridiculous to have a shield, ofcourse it's logical. I was referring to that it is ridiculous presuming that nothing can go wrong because you have a temporal shield. timetravel will still be hazardous.

We all know there is a legion there and a at-at. Just performing a well-loved trekkie-tactic.
You don't see a legion on-screen so there is no legion. Do you undrestand what i mean?

 

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yes i do know

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i use it my self too. allthough i try to limit it to cases when the onscreen is very contradictory to the EU claims (like the asteroid blasting sequence and the tower colision).

 

The problem i have is that trekkies never can make a comparison with some scene from starwars with the same conditions. It's like with the whole ewok thing. if you have 50 troopers defending a bunker with no back-up you have to compare them with 50 feds with no back up. or with 50 marines without backup.
to make a comparison you have to respect the conditions.

i don't know very much about EU so i try not to use it at all.

the tower thing is just ridiculous. the damn thing is gone, and so if it is ??? that doesn't mean much

 

Thing is, 50 fed marines (MACO's) could hold the bunker easily... they'd use a couple wide-dispersion shots to level the forest around it and remove the enemies cover, their light vehicle (in this case, a shuttle or an ARGO probably) to give them a tactical advantage, and at least one would likely have a tetryon pulse launcher or shoulder mounted phaser cannon for any heavier things. I dont' know what the Fed equal to landspeeders would be though... *shrugS*

 

Um... I dont recall anyone specifying a time in which this hypothetic battle would take place. Obviously, in your own closed mind, you can only see a war in which SW wins. If Kes is dead, well then both death stars are destroyed.

And since you're pulling out the big guns which I've never heard of, these incredible fleet-flinging Luke apprentices?? Never seen nor heard of them. But let's say we allow things from every book, official or not. You'd need them, and I'd even spot you a dozen more death stars, and 50 or so of your favorite vessels of any size... but enjoy their existence while you can.

Q continuum - Star Trek's equivalent of GOD. Game over.

Omnipotent:
Having unlimited or universal power, authority, or force; all-powerful. See Usage Note at infinite.
n.
1. One having unlimited power or authority: the bureaucratic omnipotents.
2. Omnipotent God


in·fi·nite
adj.
1. Having no boundaries or limits.
2. Immeasurably great or large; boundless


If anyone wants to argue that Star Wars universe has some even more powerful species, then this argument is pointless and I would only consider it ends in a stalemate.

 

The Borg would never be defeated... there is always some stray borg vessel or drone in some distant unkown area. The whole point of their existence is they are an unstopable virus, scattered all over, always a threat. Only Q could eliminate their entire population but there's likely 1 exception that would allow for the re-emergence of the species. It would only take the blueprint (the equivalent to borg DNA) and one nanoprobe.


And those who think time travel is hazardous... you have to remember that this assessment is only based on the fundamentals of certain theories. In some theory, you can bounce all throughout time like Bill & Ted, while other theories like Time Machine (2002) he couldn't even back-step to save the woman from dying. So we can all argue the possible consequences of theoretical temporal physics until time travel is a reality with functional temporal and relativistic shielding... or just accept that the plot that uses this technology is accurate enough. We can't just take time travel theory from some other movie and apply it to Star Trek because it suits your argument. If the Time Ship Relativity functioned as it is supposed to in the show, then it should be accepted that it can be used within those limits for our hypothetical scenarios.

Also, I've seen a few posts say 'ON SCREEN' for what we are supposed to accept as possibilities and limitations of these two universes. So does that mean no bringing up stuff from books, comics, fan fiction, etc? Great. And we can recruit any character that existed from all shows and movies?

I officially recruit the Traveler and those of his species to enhance the warp capabilities of all the Trek ships... so they should at least be considered equal to hyperdrive... lets just level that playing field...

And just for shits and giggles, we'll have Q change everything into tiny chrismas tree ornaments so we can reduce the amount of debris this war generates. LOL