About Adolf Hitler, dogs and being a scary person

Dr Lou:

I think it is not so much race as attitude. My ex-ex-ex roomate had a Jamacian boyfriend/dealer and my dogs were cool around him.

Dogs sense nervousness/fear/hostility. Blacks tend to be nervous/afraid/hostile around dogs. Maybe because they associate dogs with whites. In the States, big dogs -- shepherds especially -- have been historically used to hunt down runaway slaves, attack civil rights marchers, ferret out drugs and so on.
In fact, there is a South African breed called the Boerbul that was developed specifically in response to the Apartheid era's needs.

It just amused me that this person assumes that since Hitler's dog acts that way, Hitler must have been a bad person -- but if that's true, then blacks are criminal sorts and Hitler was right.

 

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Ah.

You said
"I think it is not so much race as attitude."
so how do you combine this idea with
"It just amused me that this person assumes that since Hitler's dog acts that way, Hitler must have been a bad person -- but if that's true, then blacks are criminal sorts and Hitler was right."
-- it's inconsistent.

Once you blame the dog's behaviour on the attitude of the person approaching the dog, and a little later on the race of that person. And you have stated that race does not equate attitude.


If some people, in this case blacks or Hispanic, have a negative atittude towards dogs, this could be due to a number of observable reasons (like never having dogs at home, viewing dogs as a status symbol, being prosecuted with dogs, other negative experience ...) and this shows in the way they approach the dog.
Of course, at the same time, we must consider the dog's life experience, and that the dog may have certain negative preference for certain people due to being hurt by them.


But that a dog shys away the way Hitler's did -- one can tell (or should be able to tell) whether a dog wishes to be approached by one or not.
And why approach it and force one's caresses on the dog if the dog doesn't want them?!

-- This is the part I don't understand. I see people treat animals as if animals were some kind of robots, as if animals had not their desires and wishes.

 

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Rosa:

'cause we're both mammals and warmth is our trademark.
Plus, I love the bitch.

Furthermore, if you 'coo' at her and pat her head as opposed to smack her on the side or, for lack of a better term, give her a 'noogie' she steers away from you and, in children, she takes it as a sign of fear.
Which is why I don't let her around children or other people- almost mauled a little boy once.

So there *is* merit in this:

On me, docility is alien but she tolerates it because we're familiar.
But on strangers, specifically children, docility becomes timidity and it stirs her predator instincts.
The way a criminal attitude (usually in blacks or hispanics) stirs a German Shepherd’s, or a feminine one stirs other breeds not as 'cuddly wuddly' as Poodles.

You say roughly the same here:

Lastly:

All we have to go on for Mr. Hitler is Miss Blondi.

Fraggle Rocker:

Yeah, this imbecile listened to that same imbecile's 'advice':

http://www.adn.com/front/story/4110831p-4127072c.html

His girlfriend was just as 'adviced'.

Lola:

Never heard of the 'king' tale and it sounds like an Old Wife’s one.

Bulldogs, from my understanding, were bred from mastiffs but made smaller over time, why? Don't know.
But their name, like the terrier who is named because of the jobs they were bred for ("terra" which is "ground" in Latin and crawling through game after holes was their specialty), I do know comes from their job as well, baiting bulls.
Just as I know they are not descended from rottweilers.

 

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It wasn't actually a king

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but the origins of bull baiting are from the serious work of the butcher's dog which occassionally involved catching bulls by the nose.
The butchers dog wasn't a breed, breeds didn't exist back then, only types which could perform a function.
So its accurate to say bulldogs didn't descend from rottweilers, just as its accurate to say bulldogs didn't descend from the english mastiff.
When it says bulldogs descended from mastiffs it means mastiff-type dogs, specifically those used by the butchers of the time. The rottweiler apparently descended from germany's mastiff type butcher's dog. Get it?
I'll try to dig up some sources, even though it's my pet hate.

 

Well, keep hating it.
Now give.

I understand there were no 'breeds' in more ancient times as we know them today, insert a juicy proverbial DUH here, but phylogenetically we can say the bulldog breed of this day can be traced to the proto-breeds of mastiffs.
But if we're dealing only 'probablies' then both of us are right.

 

Source; http://www.american-bulldog.com/a_peek.htm

Source; http://www.thepetpantry.com/breeds/info.asp?breed=87

I looked at rottweiler histories and seeing as how all of them said "no one really knows" I feel its not necessarry to quote any of them.
The 3 most common beliefs on the origin of the rottweiler are that it a) guarded the butchers from attack while they drove cattle from town to town b) herded the cattle and kept them in line, capturing any that strayed away (butcher's dog) and c) Pulled the meat carts for the butcher from town to town (draught dog).
Personally, I find C very unlikely. I think A might have been expected of them but their real job would have been B IMO.
I know real people who use dogs to capture unruly bulls and scrub cattle, and breed them for this purpose. Randomly crossbreeding over many generations to make the dog most perfectly suited to this task ends up with a dog similar to the rottweiler, not the same colour or anything, but basically the same sort of size and build.
For this reason I'm confident the rottweiler descends from the cattle droving/catching mastiffs of germany.

 

I don't understand this.

P1: Warmth is the trademark of both of you.
P2: Both of you have the aversion for human caress.
P3: You love your dog.
P4: (I assume your dog loves you too.)
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C: Hm?


If warmth is the trademark of both of you, then why the aversion for caress? One would think that if warmth is your trademark, you would like warmth. But now you have an aversion for something that you consider to be your trademark.

Now that's a dissonance!

 

Rosa

She never said she had an aversion for canine carress, and gendanken doesn't actually smell or look like a human being so her dog tolerates only her, you can see how it all works out if you know the small details.

FR

No, I think it is (I'm a nutjob).

Thats the thing, I regard them as positively exotic as well.
Freakish, americans come to gawk at them and ponder over their peculiar features, but then they leave. I'd probably do that too.
European animals just feel right. They aren't my favourite animals. The nature documentary geek in me is much more fascinated with the african and south american animals.
But "home" to me would be a large woodland estate with foxes and badgers and herds of ungulates and wild boar and the rest.
Its hard to explain, but it feels very woo-woo. I think the wild boars here in oz would feel it too.

Yes, thats what I suspected.
On the subject of dogs knowing best, I think their anti-multiculturalism stance should be given the credit it deserves.
I'm actually a fan of exotic poontang, and competent team mates on the basketball court, but I think I could sacrifice such things for the greater good of every animal sticking to the environment that produced it.

 

Rosa:

I've talked about this elsewhere.
There is both a qualitative and emotive difference between a caress and a touch.
A caress appears timid and unsure of itself yet bargaining for something without outright doing it- which comes off as disingenuous.
The image- a man discoursing on quantum physics or Kerry's debate with his hand on my lap. Rubbing it and calling his superiour 'sweety'.

A timid caress is what we feel from acquaintances. An honest touch or grasp is what we feel among friends.
Surely you don't think touch is only defined as "caress"?
So, just because one has an aversion to a caress does not in general mean one loathes all touch since a caress is only one form of touch.
That aside, my pooch is a friend and can only be handled as one.

Fraggle:

Steve Irwin is one thing, but this guy another.
I’ve worked in a zoo before and know all the general rules about handling the animals, though I was never allowed to- and Mr. Irwin breaks them all.
Irwin is a provocateur- but Treadwell treated those bears with respect by keeping his distance and respecting the boundaries- did you read that the whole thing was caught on tape?
He 'slovered' and played dead just as recommended and still got his head lopped of. His girlfriend, likewise.

Would you say Goodall was invading the chimp's territory? There is a difference between her and Irwin as well.

You've mistaken me for your mammy.

 

Oh. I didn't know that *this* was the distinction you had in mind.

You have come across as someone who shuns *any* human/animal contact, but gives herself in to it as act of unwilling yet desired surrender.


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I did not choose an inaccurate example! Sure, the average dog in my country sees and smells 0.0 non-Caucasians in his life (I myself have never seen a black or a Chinese up close other than on a Benetton ad) -- but dogs still display the whole scale of behaviour.

I did say:

I take this does not oppose the pheromones issue and pack belonging, and people training their dogs to dislike people of other races -- like you said.

 

This is too funny not to respond:

You, my dear, I could picture getting mauled on stage by a bunch of Negros on Ricki Lake who'd simply insist you were Hitler for saying that.
I remember once saying “blacks” as opposed the singular “black”- all by mistake- and care to know what happened?
Everyone I was speaking with(this was in a waiting room- people tend to get chummy in waiting rooms, simply insisting on knowing everything about you down to sniffing your damn underwear) - all got quiet on cue.
Then they all slowly shifted away from me since I did not go back and correct it.
Correct it??!!
Correct what??!! An innocent letter??!

To them, hearing the word 'blacks' from a non-black made me prejudice in that its supposed to make me think of them as furniture. Never mind that idiots are furniture and come in all shades but no- black people simply insist on their fucking martyrdom.
Which is what I said in my other thread- you can't even *look* at people in general (usually minorities) the "wrong" way nowadays.
FUCK YOU ALL..

 

Ah. There is no pc way to call a [black person/negro/African American ...?] anymore.
Those who wish to feel vicitimized, will do so no matter what you say.

As for the "innocent leter": what technically grammatically is only a plural form, may not have the same grammatical "innocence" as the singular.

Compare:
1. "I spoke to my wife."
2. "I spoke to my wives."

Sentence 1 is okay, but sentece 2 is *culturally* not okay. A similar principle seems to be behind "black" and "blacks".
While addressing a singular person with "black" is alright, saying "blacks" is implying the *whole race*, and the black race is culturally traditionally seen as underprivileged (and it sure was); thus "blacks" does not mean 'plural of black', it means 'the black race', with the connotation 'the black race is underprivileged'. The connotative meaning took over the grammatical meaning in the plural form of the word "black".

 

Priceless, Fraggle

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Do you write for a living ?

 

i see that most posts were from 2004 and they actually contain information.

weird.

 

I'm writing a novel on space chicks in space.

 

Well, you do a very good job at it !

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Your writing really stands out on this site, while your employers are likely comparing your to others in the same business.
So it's not really a surprise that you set yourself off more here than in your business. But I've got no doubt that you're doing more than ok

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