OG proposal #1 (June 09) - Cull worthless members?

Discussion in 'SF Open Government' started by James R, Jun 16, 2009.

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Should we go ahead and remove useless members?

Poll closed Jun 23, 2009.

  1. Yes.

    10 vote(s)
    38.5%

  2. No.

    9 vote(s)
    34.6%

  3. Abstain.

    7 vote(s)
    26.9%
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  1. Oli

    Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    Ripleofdeath for the reasons Liebling stated.
    Bishadi for much the same reason: plus the fact that as soon as one thread is locked for devolving into more of his nonsense after he's been shown to be wrong he starts another on the same subject.
    Quantum Wave: seems to think Sci is his personal blog, asks for expert opinion and then puts anyone who disagrees (i.e. those who know what they're talking about) on ignore and solicits other opinion.
     
    Oli, Jun 17, 2009
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  3. madanthonywayne

    madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    He's sort of quoting Woody Allen (who was quoting Groucho Marx) who said,
    “I'd never join a club that would allow a person like me to become a member."​
     
    madanthonywayne, Jun 17, 2009
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  5. James R

    James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Just quickly, I'd like to respond to takandjive's off-topic complaint:

    I have just sent a PM to you now, copied to Plazma Inferno! and containing your original PM to me and my respond (on the same day).

    For the public record, my response was not "little more than a shrug". On the contrary, my response was to immediately close then-open threads on pedophilia, to give the member concerned an ultimatum, and to thereafter keep a close eye on the member concerned.

    As for you, takandjive, I heard nothing more from you until now. You did not contact me again by PM to say that you were dissatisfied with my actions. Instead, you waited 2 months, then chose to make a public issue of it here. That's bad form, and quite rude, in my opinion.

    If you have any further issues with this, please take it up with me by PM. Or, if you prefer, we can do it in public, but I'd prefer not to.
     
    James R, Jun 17, 2009
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  7. Plazma Inferno!

    Plazma Inferno! Ding Ding Ding Ding Administrator

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    I've checked CC and I just have to say that James' respond was consistent with site policy that concerns promoting illegal activities (i.e. paedophilia), and with the agreement we (staff) have regarding action that should be taken in the future.
    It wasn't just a shrug. I would respond in same manner.
     
    Plazma Inferno!, Jun 17, 2009
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  8. Stryder

    Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    To be honest a number of users do exist that don't post. They have the username in case they post and occassionally new posters appear with names that have existed for years to express they've been an avid reader of the forums (and possibly picked up a bit of bias against one or other poster)

    This makes it difficult to just cull names.

    What I would pose instead is that we sort out some TOS/TOC for the site which govern's both the moderators job and what is expected of the members. With such a TOS/TOC change, the usual requirement is to make such a change public knowledge, which would mean announcing not just to the forums but also the Members via their signup email.

    Obviously it will have to be constructed to deal with concerns that the message might be misconstrued as spam, however one of the things that could be added to the TOS/TOC is those accounts over 6 months old with no posts will be deleted. It's then up to the account holder to post in the timeframe after that if they want to keep their username/account.

    It would clear up the database I'm sure, however it would be something that Plazma would have to look into if it was to be done, It could be expected to be done easily or without hitches.
     
    Stryder, Jun 17, 2009
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  9. S.A.M.

    S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Couldn't you make it so that everyone who logged in after the date of the TOS, saw a TOS which they had to sign? Only the first time?
     
    S.A.M., Jun 17, 2009
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  10. Stryder

    Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    Permaban's are usually only a last resort and have been for a while. for the most part a user would have to have a repeated history of being abusive and fragrantly disrespectful should a moderator or administrator actually ask them to mend their ways. It hasn't happened a lot in the past, however when it has, nobody has missed them (Mainly because they were a new poster, limit post count and likely a sock puppet of someone else)

    On the subject of bringing people back (not of course raised by Inzomnia)Those that have been Permanently Banned can't be re-instated, the main reason for this is they tend to have been abusive previously and don't forget that they were got rid of, so they upset the community and the moderators on return and promptly get banned again.

    (Perhaps it's because some of them are predatorial and see this liberal need to "Forgive and forget" as weakness. It's a shame in the long run, but some people just won't learn from their mistakes and that's a given.)
     
    Stryder, Jun 17, 2009
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  11. Stryder

    Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, that would kind of be the idea. Most Social sites nowadays have TOS's as they are a necessity, the main problem is though they are usually written to be interpreted by the law since some people are fickle.

    I mean we can draft a public one up and eventually work out what's required, but without any legal body looking at it, it's just going to be a guideline.
     
    Stryder, Jun 17, 2009
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  12. S.A.M.

    S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Why do we need a legal contract? Is the admin afraid of being sued by disgruntled members?

    I'd assume that members, mods and admin could, between them come up with something that everyone could live with.
     
    S.A.M., Jun 17, 2009
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  13. Stryder

    Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    Actually it's more to do with the way sites evolve on the internet than any fear of legal recourse. Although it is good to know where a site stands and what's expected from them.

    And yes, I'm not suggesting a TOC/TOS should be written in "legal Language" considering it's old and antiquated, it needs to be written clearly and made to be capable of being understood by a majority.
     
    Stryder, Jun 17, 2009
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  14. takandjive

    takandjive Killer Queen Registered Senior Member

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    James,

    Thank you for digging up that old PM.
     
    takandjive, Jun 17, 2009
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  15. Anti-Flag

    Anti-Flag Pun intended Registered Senior Member

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    Although I generally agree that some may be waiting to post, or only log in infrequently, I'd bet the vast majority of registered names no longer visit us, if indeed they ever did. I also find it perplexing that people register and not post as you can read the forum without registering.
    All in all however I do think you have a good idea.
     
    Anti-Flag, Jun 17, 2009
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  16. (Q)

    (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Why would you defend Kadark and Sam, who wouldn't utter an honest word if their lives depended on it?

    Are you that dense?
     
    (Q), Jun 17, 2009
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  17. Gustav

    Gustav Banned Banned

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    Gustav, Jun 17, 2009
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  18. Orleander

    Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I'm confused. Are the members who don't post the ones who are worthless and need culled? Why??

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    Isn't it a good thing to show potential advertisers that we have 'this many' members?
     
    Orleander, Jun 17, 2009
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  19. Gustav

    Gustav Banned Banned

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    orly

    there are those that stuck to a literal interpretation of the op while ignoring intent


    0 post count=nothing useful

    /giggles

    ahh
    dumbfucksci

    /pridefilled
     
    Gustav, Jun 17, 2009
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  20. Mrs.Lucysnow

    Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    No, not as this proposal was intended but evidently some members seem to think they might as well clean that up too.
     
    Mrs.Lucysnow, Jun 17, 2009
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  21. Gustav

    Gustav Banned Banned

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    I've been really tryin', baby
    Tryin' to hold back this feeling for so long
    And if you feel like I feel, baby
    Then, c'mon, oh, c'mon
    Let's get it on    ​
     
    Gustav, Jun 17, 2009
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  22. Gustav

    Gustav Banned Banned

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    OMG!
    the mighty jamesr can really carry a tune!
     
    Gustav, Jun 17, 2009
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  23. Gustav

    Gustav Banned Banned

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    Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breath free;
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
    Send these, the homeless,
    Tempest-tossed to me
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

    Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
    With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
    Here at our sea-washed sunset gates shall stand
    A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame is the imprisoned lightning,
    And her name, SciForums.
    From her beacon-hand glows world-wide welcome;
    Her mild eyes command the air-bridged harbor
    That twin cities frame.
    "Keep, Ancient Lands, your storied pomp!"
    Cries she with silent lips.

    Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breath free;
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
    Send these, the homeless,
    Tempest-tossed to me
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

    play    ​
     
    Gustav, Jun 17, 2009
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