The Over Population Problem

Discussion in 'Science & Society' started by Liebling, Feb 10, 2009.

  1. Pronatalist Registered Senior Member

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    The world wants MORE SEX. Give it to them, the right moral way then. Let the baby booms grow naturally.

    Why? It's not a very original idea. I'm quite sure many people have thought along those lines, especially in developing countries where people still commonly marry young, even without me bringing it up.

    And we might be headed towards some rebound for large families anyway, as people get fed up with the deterioration of society brought about by "family planning" and declining social mores, and return to some of the old tradition of Stay-At-Home Moms, and more naturally-growing families. I've met many wonderful large families, and it can be a bit surprising the numbers of people who really rather not use "birth control."

    A guy I once worked with, said his wife wants 6 children, but he isn't too sure. Of course I told him to go for it, he wouldn't be sorry. A friend of mine confided to me that they had decided to try for a 5th child. He neglected to mention whether I had persuaded him. Of course, they may have had their own reasons.

    A guy told me at a Walk For Life, that they have 4 children and don't use any birth control, so I imagine their family is still growing. That was a couple of years ago, so they could have 6 children by now? Another baby and another on the way?

    But you know they would be glad to live, after-the-fact? This shouldn't require a great deal of proof. Just look into the eyes of a cute child of wondering minds, and ask yourself, is there anything about a human life worth living? Most likely, YES. Trying to see the beauty in the value of human souls, trying to love people the way God would, goes along with the natural idea of welcoming the natural flow of human life, or welcoming babies to come as they come, from huge multitudes of people persuaded to shun all use of "birth control" and let their populations swell in size naturally, unrestrained. Population ACCOMODATION only, not anti-freedom "control."

    Why be so pessimistic? Love your children, give them every reasonable chance to prosper? Train them up in the ways of the Lord, pray for them, then they don't have to become ensnared by the Beast. Certainly don't entrust them to the Big Brother government monopoly schools, which are liberal fascist statist propaganda centers. The "public" schools didn't used to be so bad, but the liberals have infested them, and it's hardly any secret anymore that they are underperforming, costing taxpayers too much, and are in decline.
     
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  3. Pronatalist Registered Senior Member

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    Oh, there's women like that out there. There's mothers who love being pregnant. Of course, OctoMom isn't the best example of that.

    Problem is, I'm just not getting out enough and finding them, or they tend to get snatched up early, as many men probably love to have a wife who will be a great mother to their possibly many children.

    Is it true that men aren't near as enticed by "birth control" as women? That more men would prefer larger families if they could?

    So they are out there, but often, they already have their big families?

    And sometimes it just happens. Not everything in life can be forced by just more effort.
     
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  5. Pronatalist Registered Senior Member

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    Has many people besides me, noticed all the deceptive statements being thrown out by the propaganda machines?

    Such statements are so deceptive and misleading. Are Americans using 25% of what's available, or 25% of what's currently being used? And is that 25% largely a made-up number? Has anybody ever listed a source of that number? Major difference.

    Seems the rest of the world is catching up to American levels of consumption. Enviros say that's impossible, for it would then take 4 or 6 earths then to hold us all. Oh really? Then explain how the impossible, IS HAPPENING.

    So like it or not, we face an increasingly populous world of rising consumption. But I don't believe it's anywhere near as dire as some population phobics make it sound. Actually, increased wealth expands our options to more comfortably and safely absorb so much population, eliminating contaminated drinking water, replacing it with piped potable water and indoor flush toilets, and eliminating millions of smoky cooking fires from growing cities and replacing them with clean natural gas and electric cookstoves and microwave ovens. Whether or not increased wealth supposedly slows the natural birthrates (no doubt due to the rampant contraceptive pushing), at least it helps humans better ADAPT to survive and thrive in an increasingly populous world.

    "Developing countries should be more like us and modernize, to better support their burgeoning populations. We should be more like them and have more children." Pronatalist
     
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  7. takandjive Killer Queen Registered Senior Member

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    You're not trying to get her pregnant!

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    I think you're the real problem, Enmos!
     
  8. takandjive Killer Queen Registered Senior Member

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    Considering that so many Americans are unemployed, on SSI, etc., it seems rather a bad idea to keep mindlessly breeding and having to rely on government support when they can never give much back.
     
  9. Pronatalist Registered Senior Member

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    That's a government economy mismanagement problem, not a large family problem.

    Babies are good for the economy, and help create more jobs, that is, when the government isn't hindering and taxing us to death to promote their cruel wicked welfare state.
     
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  10. takandjive Killer Queen Registered Senior Member

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    Um, how come poorer, less educated families tend to have more children? Poverty and large families are very connected. I plan on having as many children as I can take care of/support. That means feeding, clothing, school. What you don't realize is that's very expensive.
     
  11. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Who is "her" ?
    I thought Pronatalist was a dude.
     
  12. takandjive Killer Queen Registered Senior Member

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    You're not trying to impregnate him either, Enmos.

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    Just saying you're part of the problem.

    I thought Pronatalist was a chick. I'm pretty sure that's what I would sound like if I suffered a massive head trauma, converted to Christianity, and started on fertility meds.
     
  13. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Yea, I'm part of the problem because I exist. But at least I'm not advocating the breed-til-you-drop philosophy madness..

    That's funny, so did I..

    Hehe..

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  14. takandjive Killer Queen Registered Senior Member

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    Yeah, I understand the urge to have a baby. I just don't understand why ANYONE thinks it's safe or rational to have so many. If you have more than four you run a huge risk of a prolapsed uterus, which runs in my family ANYWAY. Both my mom and grandma have it, and they each only had three children. A female body wasn't intended to have a lot of children. Kids under 4 can break down milk enzymes very efficiently, implying they SHOULD be breastfed. You cannot get pregnant if you're breastfeeding, or it damn near takes an act of God to do so. That's a pretty good sign you're not supposed to squeeze out a new one every year if your internal reproductive organs are dragging behind you and you have to deny your child breastmilk during his/her formative years just to get it done.
     
  15. takandjive Killer Queen Registered Senior Member

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    God, I'm really humorless about babies, aren't I?

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  16. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    But I'm not denying that.

    And anyone that thinks women SHOULD do exactly that (have many more than the average amount of children) is an ignorant arrogant dumb sexist asshole and should be involuntarily sterilized.
    Male or female, Pronatalist is a dick.
     
  17. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    You are excused

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  18. takandjive Killer Queen Registered Senior Member

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    I know. God knows I try to mother everything I see. My poor cat. Even my poor neighbor's dog!


    Precisely. Even taking the sentimental point of view that children are worth destroying yourself for (and while I'd die for my future child, I'm not going to die just to have a child), isn't it blatantly unfair to a child to have so many children that you can't have an intimate relationship with them? If they're so damn precious, why not have fewer so you can know them?
     
  19. takandjive Killer Queen Registered Senior Member

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    Thank you, your Holiness.

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    Would you like me to perform some act that will not get me pregnant as a manner of thanks?

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  20. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    I agree. But I posted that with overpopulation in mind though.

    Is it worrisome that I got that immediately ?

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  21. takandjive Killer Queen Registered Senior Member

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    Agreed that it's a problem. I don't know that human extinction is really a practical answer, but a reduction in the population is needed.

    I MEANT COOK YOU DINNER OR GROOM YOUR CATS, YOU PERVERT!

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  22. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Who said anything about extinction ?

    I know that's what you meant..
    What do you mean 'pervert' ? :shrug:

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  23. takandjive Killer Queen Registered Senior Member

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    The idea of all humans "shutting down shop" is not very practical. Humans (at least those pesky ones that like the OTHER genitals) want to reproduce by nature.

    I'm not sure I believe the argument people are not biologically fulfilled by having one healthy child.

    Also, if you don't think prolapsed uteri are horrible: http://www.emedicinehealth.com/prolapsed_uterus/article_em.htm

    Your cervix can even herniate after having too many children, causing incontinence, infection, all kinds of issues. Your body isn't meant to be a baby factory.

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    I know your kind. Ask a Dutch man what he wants for his birthday and he goes, "I want to put it between there, and in there, and in there."

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