What if its just preference? Even from an early age? so... the fact that the gay guy has an older brother means its not genetic? maybe it has more to do with the childs influences, nurture? Good point, and I actually completely agree with you. If a man acts girly I usually automatically assume they are most likely to be gay, though I have been wrong before. good points, ill take your word for what you say since, well, Im not gay and have never gone through it. But heres the thing, do you think that maybe if you were raised differently you might have been straight? have you ever even considered sleeping with a woman?
Yeah, but there's not this whole social implication like with homosexuality. There's a big difference in hair color and biological sex. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! And you know all this through your sex with men, right? Right. Actually right. No one "just has a preference" to have sex with men or women or both. You like it, or you don't. How you want to roost, how you're wired, is a very specific thing. I certainly can enjoy sex with men or women, but I am hardwired to want a big brute for a life partner. The fact I like musicians and artists and guys that like little puppies and kittens and babies and love to hike is socialized. Or for some reason the gene sequence only activates itself after a certain situation. Homosexual tendencies do have a slight tendency to run in families. I'll entertain that question as someone who identifies as heterosexual, but sometimes sleeps with the same sex. I don't think if I had been raised in a household where there'd been more acceptance of homosexuality that I'd identify as gay. I might identify as bisexual, but I still doubt I'd have much desire to actually seek out a same sex relationship, and as I define one's sexual orientation based on who people are seeking relationships with, not just sexual relations, my definition doesn't really change. I think someone who doesn't seek even a casual sex relationship with the same person has a few screws loose after a few years of one night stands.
If you genuinely want to know the answer, reading linked material would be helpful. "Anthony Bogaert (1) provides evidence that the social influence of an older brother is irrelevant to whether his younger brother will develop a homosexual orientation. It is the number of older biological brothers the mother carried, not the presence of older brothers while growing up, that makes some boys grow up to be gay. Older stepbrothers in the home have no effect, although older biological brothers raised apart still exert their influence. These data, by elimination, strengthen the notion that the common denominator between biological brothers, the mother, provides a prenatal environment that fosters homosexuality in her younger sons."
sorry, i actually read it the first day you posted but didnt reply and forgot about it. good find though, hard to argue against it since i am not as much of an expert on the topic.
Not at all. Look at epigenetics/negative blood type mothers to second-born positive blood type children.
will do, never knew having multiple children would alter genetics that way. guess you learn something new everyday, ill look it up
Kinda sorta on the blood type. Epigenetics is a horse of a different color, but on blood: RH neg mothers usually have one healthy pregnancy, and then her white blood cells will consequently attack the fetus as a foreign object if the baby is RH pos. For whatever reason, the first RH positive baby sometimes doesn't trigger that reaction. I don't know enough about obstetrics to tell you a whole lot more. It's not so unbelievable then that a "gay" gene/biological trigger would activate similarly.
I had always assumed (based on nothing more than what seemed reasonable to me with no actual data) that male homosexuals would "take turns" being the bottom with the idea being that "it's better to give than receive". The whole idea that there were "tops" and "bottoms" was a surprise to me and came from a homosexual friend. He's also the one who said that bottoms were usually more effeminate (well, he didn't say it, but he pointed out the bottoms among the village people and his criteria seemed obvious).
You are soooo straight, MAW. ;-) Seriously, as I understand (and I have no experience as a gay male either), a fair number of the bottoms I've met are pretty butch. My mother and I collapsed when we found out Mr. Macho Brother was a bottom. He threatened to karate chop his teacher in first grade! He can't do something stereotypically effeminate! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! And unless your friend had sex with all the Village People, I wouldn't trust his opinion.
No. I had, what is considered an "All American" rural upbringing. We went to church on Sundays (Lutherans, at first, Baptist, later), family picnics, conservative father, doting mother, ball games in the park, and a whole host of farm animals. Again, this isn't a "nurture" thing. And most importantly, there is no evidence that having parents on one end of the spectrum or the other can "make" a person gay. Well, for certain, there are bound to be gay couples who do "take turns", I mean it's not like we're all part of some collective and have the exact same mechanics in our intimate engagements. Hell, imagine yourself and another straight couple: do you think that you and they go for the exact same stuff in bed? Probably not. Some people like to involve various "aids" others like it totally natural, while others still, enjoy inviting friends along for the fun. Gay people, aren't all that different. It's complex issue. Some people say "top and "bottom" and are referring only to the physical sense: who gives and who takes (sexually speaking). While other's still use it in reference to the emotional dominance in the relationship (in which case the emotional "top" may well end up "bottoming" if that's what he likes). See how complicated it gets? For my purposes I use the term "top" and "bottom" to refer only to the physical intimacy and "dominant" and "recessive" to refer to the emotional portion. Note: this does not mean that one is more masculine or feminine. That's a whole other factor. ~String
No, we all came to a consensus back in 2003 about what we as "the str8's" enjoy sexually. "The gays" didn't? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
I see where you are coming from, and I understand your point. Then again, we live in a world where murder is frowned upon, yet we still have murderers. I know, its somewhat an extreme example and I am by no means putting murders on the same level as homosexuality, I am just saying that some people may just happen to do things out of the ordinary; the human mind is very creative. I just cant help but feel like it doesn't necessarily have to be that we are programmed that way. Call me stubborn, call me what you want, I feel that asides from basic needs like shelter and food human beings are very picky and selective about what they want, whether its the music they listen to, their passion, the way they act, talk etc... I just don't see why sexual preference has to be so different, so hardwired. I know I am arguing against something that seems to have an extreme amount of scientific evidence backing it up, but I just don't see it, I don't know.
Okay. In a world that doesn't really receive gays and shower them with hugs and kisses, why would anyone choose homosexuality? Just to make life harder? If I was going to choose what I found sexually attractive, it would be old fat men with big wallets.
People do things out of the ordinary. I don't think we chose what we like because its logical to like them. I mean, I am not attracted to overweight women, in fact, I am very shallow about it. It sucks, I personally find it dumb on my part since a lot of them have great personalities; but are you gonna tell me I am not attracted to them because I am programmed not to? I think it has to do with how I was brought up. I have a friend whos into overweight women, good for him, he is happy with them and gets laid much more than I do. He was brought up the same way as me, but just developed a different perspective, now, are you gonna tell me he is genetically attracted to overweight women? Exactly where do I draw the line? and say, this certain attraction is nurture and this one isn't, and why does it have to be drawn at what sex the person is? I don't see it, sorry. I feel like the whole thing is obviously somewhat a combination of both, but I do believe that nurture has the larger effect.
Comparing being a fat admirer to being gay is understandable. It does seem to be hardwired. Liking fat women or men seems to be something unshakable about a person. I think it's definitely genetically rooted. When you start talking outside the realm of sexual orientation and into fetish. I can't get turned on by body types. Certain bodies stimulate me sexually. They really turn me on. I don't know why. I have certain interests that pertain more to roleplaying/sex games. No one is hardwired to like BDSM, for example. You see the difference between a body and some very complex game involving sex? What would make someone like fat?
nah. as far as the op and the institutes study, it is false. i think your post sums up why. being in that particular group makes you more aware of it and then you combine that with other superficial clues to make an assessment. could be the wrong assessment, could be the right assessment. the thing is that you are looking for it more, even for the only reason that yo are part of that classification. further proff is in the images presented here, there is more than a facial image. am i stating the obvious here, or what?
Indeed it is. What's rough to some may not even enter the thoughts of another. I believe there are studies that show the simpler, lower class people without all the modern amenities we enjoy in advanced Westernized countries (though not restricted literally to the West!), are often happier or have less depression. I think being less complicated in thought and life gives one less to worry about, unless you're living in famine or war, which seems to affect those areas as well. But I don't quite agree that having "everything handed" to you means that you don't have issues or a hard time. Different life circumstances bring different worries or problems. And your personality and thought patterns will influence how you see and deal with it. People live tortured, anguished lives because they feel they have to repress their sexual attractions to their own gender. You indicated that you considered suicide. Some people often accomplish that. Or maybe they hurt others because of their problems. While feeling sorry for yourself often only hinders progress, not everyone can deal with things the same way, nor should they be expected to. I don't expect it. It's often easy to tell someone to "get over it" or "you should really see things this way" but words are sometimes cheap. Everyone's circumstances are different. At least you got through all that in the end.
