Are people inherently evil?

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by ??!!?!?_particlename, Jun 19, 2002.

  1. scifes In withdrawal. Valued Senior Member

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    isn't that a bit not too nice??

    :wave:
     
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  3. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    As nice as the author of that post was attempting the validation of reality with myth and superstitions.
     
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  5. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Don't judge him. He's merely demonstrating the inherent nature of some people.
     
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  7. baftan ******* Valued Senior Member

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    People are inherently violent. Violence is somehow hardwired into our brains just as many animals, and violence is not evil. However, if the word "evil" refers to a calculated and sophisticated harm to others (even stubbing someone is in this category), here we talk about humans and no other agent in nature.

    Tricky point is, that does not necessarily give right to exercise evil actions. "Something natural" can not be an argument in human relations, because our kind has been struggling against nature's disasters, diseases, harsh rules for thousands of years. So even if "evil" is intrinsicly and/or inherently natural, it can be changed.
     
  8. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Are people inherently ridiculous?
    We see such arrogant assumptions so often here despite the assumers having no way of knowing what education, experiences or accomplishments the person they're talking with has.
     
  9. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Prove it.
     
  10. scifes In withdrawal. Valued Senior Member

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    aww man, that game can be played by two players..

    prove it doesn't..
     
  11. scifes In withdrawal. Valued Senior Member

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    hey that goes for you too..look:
     
  12. TFL ʞǝǝƃ ɐ ʇsnɾ Registered Senior Member

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    He doesn't have to; You're the one making the claim that it does exist, thus you're the one who needs to provide evidence.
     
  13. scifes In withdrawal. Valued Senior Member

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    that may be so..in this forum..which is a wicked experiences btw..

    but most of the world, i.e all the nutters and sheep..say that he does exist..and YOU'RE the ones making the claim he doesn't
     
  14. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    There is no such thing as sin.
     
  15. tomidea some thoughts ... Registered Senior Member

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    Sin is not difficult to prove. But there is no need to prove sin(in most cases).

    Sin is simply a by-product of human beings' folly. Many things we did as a child were 'sinful', we don't do them anymore as we mature. But an adult tend to do things in a so called 'smart' way: try to deceive others for personal gain for example, it appears nice and harmless, but it is actually sinnful. He might say that he caused no harm, the other person was simply not smart enough to play the 'game'. Well, such reasonings are too frequently used by many people committing wrongful acts. For certain people, they tend not to see the non-sin side. Again, selfishness plays a major part in their action.

    A way to prove sin (and your own awareness of sin) is: if oneday you go swimming and see a real, thick gold chain on the floor of an empty locker room, what will you do? Will you take it and keep it or will you give it to the swimming centre staff?
     
  16. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    An atheist would reason that the chain is not theirs to keep and if they had lost such a chain, they would want someone to return it to them, so they would turn it in to the staff.

    A theist would only fear for what his god might do to him in the afterlife and make his decision based on that. If the theist thought that he could simply repent his sins on his deathbed, he might just keep the chain.

    Of course, the prisons being filled primarily and overwhelmingly with theists would support that assumption.
     
  17. swarm Registered Senior Member

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    Actually the theist would think it was a gift from god and keep it even if he knew who it actually belonged to.
     
  18. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Sin is disobeying gods. No gods, no sin.
     
  19. scifes In withdrawal. Valued Senior Member

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    an atheist will remember a chain he lost and never found and deem it neccesary to balance the world..

    an atheist will be having some hard financial time and say "oh well, whoever this belonged to has to be rich enough not to care for it" and takes it..

    an atheist would be the dumbest person on the planet if he didn't look around..if no one is watching slips it in his pocket(and since you guys aren't stupid..i'm sure in real life you'll take it..so stop kidding yourself)

    a theist is only afrid of his god..so he will give it back because his god sees everything..

    and thank god the prisons are full with sinning theists..loooooooool..if it were up to atheists they will hold the policeman and tell him "hey on what base are you locking that killer?? sin doesn't exist!!"
    in islam a found "lost" item is supposed to be announced for a whole year before being given to its finder..how strong a believer is decides how far he goes with his religion's teachings..
    yepeeeeeeeeeee!!

    NO SIN..LET'S KILL AND RAPE....LETS STEAL AND BLOW THINGS UP..NOOOOOO GOOOOODS..NOOOOOOO SINNNNNNS.. EVERY ONE IS FREEEEEE:xctd:

    so like..what stops you from doing all these things..you're going to die one day..
     
  20. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    I have no words..
     
  21. scifes In withdrawal. Valued Senior Member

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    lol

    sorry..got carried away in the "bite me, bite you, you're an idiot,-,well you're a bigger idiot" affair..

    will try to keep myself composed..

    sorry..

    BUT THOSE GUYS DESERVE IT!!
     
  22. Cowboy My Aim Is True Valued Senior Member

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    I think that most people are actually pretty decent to a certain degree. Generally speaking, they won't kill, rape or burglarize you.
     
  23. Cowboy My Aim Is True Valued Senior Member

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    You seem to be assuming that an atheist will behave rationally when it comes to property rights (not saying that he or she won't, but it isn't a given).

    And regarding religious folks in prison; keep in mind that many of them became ultra-religious *after* being incarcerated.
     

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