why does god has to have a god??

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actually i see how god doesn't have to have a cause..that's the most sensible possibility to me..i consider it your strange failing to not be able to see that after i've explained it in many ways..yes i wondered about that in the beginning..but i reached my conclusion in more ways than one..it srprises me that you haven't..my only explanation for that is two things..getting used to the idea of no god..and the difficulty of giving up your belief which you pride yourself with and which you fought for for a long time...i won't ie to you..i consider all your POV as if they were my own..(not to mention that most of them i've been there done that)..but still they don't convince me..

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I see humans as being one of the species of this Galaxy (with no proof but a reasonable assumption that other species exist out there); further, I see us as being johnie-come-latelys, more advanced than some yet not anywhere near as advanced as others.

Personally, I think it's quite reasonable to assume that as there are ancient stars and solar systems in the Universe, there are equally ancient species; people who have by now evolved beyond the need for the physical body, have capabilities that we can only guess at, and would regard our species as we would regard children or neanderthals.

Further, where did our Universe come from? If it's a bud off an old tree, so to speak, what is the origin of the parent Universe? How old is its parent Universe? How far back in time does the cycle of the Universes recede, and what of the species that evolved in those earlier systems?

 

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What is the need for time to be linear?

IOW just like we experience the growth and dormancy of life with influences like spring and winter, why can't this be applied to a greater sphere of affairs?

 

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Not sure if you're agreeing with the OP. Wouldn't a greater sphere of affairs apply to a god making a god? Your saying this is or isn't plausible?

 

Lol. I hope you see the difference in what we both are talking about.

 

IMO it's certainly plausible that the earlier, more advanced species, which had already attained the power of gods, could give later species a hand up to the same level. I tend to see the history of the Omniverse (the multiplicity of universes thru time) as being a vast heirarchy of transcendent species, all co-operating with each other to help late-arriving species to advance themselves. Also, I'm making the assumption that there is a local time-frame within each universe. I've heard some very strange things about the flow of time, admittedly--but I can't see any way for comparitively primitive species such as ourselves to step outside the time-stream, except under the most unusual circumstances.

 

If you have a god making a god, you simply have the phenomenal world fulfilling the role of "eternal, ultimate cause".

If you have a god that transcends issues of cause an effect (what to speak of a god on whom cause and effect are dependent) you also fulfill the same requirements.

In either case, determining linear time as the ultimate net that all things must exist in is not helpful.

 

What makes non-linear time special? I can reinvent time anytime you want. The god who made the god who made God could very easily have conjured up linear time at some point. I see nothing special about whatever time you think God parades around in.

 

cycles of time are not invention

in fact they are recognized from everyone from farmers, to menstruating women to astronomers.

More to the point is how linear time appears to be an imposition of our (limited) experience .... since every aspect of time has a cycle.

 

How many times has God created the universe?

 

Tacking the question "how many" to a cyclical phenomena tends to give a cyclic answer

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You did say every aspect of time is cyclical. I was just wondering if beginning and end are?

 

sure

like you could term a singular point as the beginning of spring or the end of winter

 

But not to be use when referencing the universe? or time itself?

The cycle of Gods... the world is due for a return to the Sun god, no? Maybe it's time to add a few, in keeping with life's cyclical nature.

 

according to the vedas time is eternal and the universe goes through (eternal) changes from manifest to dormant states (kind of like spring to winter in a place like canada )

sure

but the idea is this pantheon of higher entities set to manage universal affairs operates under an unchanging orchestration (like a monarch has an assembly of representatives)

(IOW just like you don't have any insects in winter, you don't have any demigods during a period of universal dormancy)

 

Absurd.

Curiosity saved the cat!

 

Circular unreasoning.
I understand. You believe it so it must be true.

It couldn't have been a god who "created" the first human (or it's evolving counterpat for all that matters).. we know that because gods can't give life.
Proof that your illogic doesn't extend to gods is because gods don't create life.
We don't know as much as we'd like of how life & the universe came to be..so denying or assumin anything based on your rules isn't right.
I tried to put this as simple as you did.

 

You haven't explained anything.

 

Assuming there is time which is not linear is not helpful.
In either case, you are not helpful.


WHO doesn't have insects in Winter???

 

Its not clear how seasons, days, months, years, etc are not helpful

errr ..... yeah

don't forget the mosquito repellent

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