Why I didnt' want a baby girl

Every person on the planet is more important than a tomato plant. But if it makes you feel better, the tomato plant can be more important than you. sound fair?

 

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Why then ?
And who said anything about tomato plants being more important than humans ?

 

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why then what?
Its common knowledge that a person is more important that a tomato plant. Even vegans know that.

 

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Really, is it ?
Please explain to me why a human is more important than a tomato plant. And without bias please.

 

we eat it. If it was important, we wouldn't eat it.

 

Why not ?
That only signifies that WE don't think it's important enough not to eat it.

Is a man-eating lion more important than a human ?

 

Humans are more important than all of that. I will shoot that man-eating lion and hang its pelt on my wall. I will go to a hospital, get meds and build up a resistence to that bacteria.
I am more important. And I am more important than argumentative know it all holier than thou twits.

You go ahead and be less important since it means so much to you.

 

Saying it over and over again doesn't make it true, you know.
You still haven't provided any valid arguments.

And again, who said anything about being more or less important ?

 

ok.

 

Ok, so we have established that humans are not more important than anything else.
What a breakthrough.. !

 

nope, just you. You are no more important than a tomato plant

 

Well, you said 'ok'.. and since you are unable to come up with any arguments..

And you're right, I am no more important than a tomato plant. And you aren't either.

 

What makes something or someone important is relative. While you may think the guy who invented antibiotics is the bee's knees, someone in Ethiopia may find the hyenas that eat the market garbage a lot more useful and important and worthy of something life-preserving. You may find your family dog more important than a serial killer. It's so relative. It's only relation to usefulness and culture.

 

agreed. I think my kids are more important than Bells'. She thinks hers are more important than mine.
But what culture thinks tomato plants are more important than people? The land of woo-woo?

 

What makes humans more important than tomato plants? In the grand scheme of things we don't do any more for the universe than tomato plants do. Importance can only means something on a personal level. Just like to me I am more important to a tomato plant and too me I am more important than a frog and some guy in Oregon and my next door neighbor. It is a personal bias, i'd rather some guy in Oregon die than me.

 

Look at any period/place where there's food scarcity.

This is exactly it!

 

The determination of who or what is important is inevitably a subjective process. For instance, if you were asking whether humans or tomato plants were more important in the production of oxygen, clearly tomatos get the nod since they produce it while we consume it. However, the idea that a human being would decide that a tomato plant or a preying mantis is of equal or greater import than a human is morally repugnant.

Consider the implications. If we are to decide that plants and animals have "just as much" a right to live as a human, we should have the death penalty for killing insects, plants, or animals; just as we do for killing a human being. A human should not be allowed to engage in activities that will result in the death of plants or animals. Smashing a bug on your windshield would be just as much a crime as running over your neighboors child.

Clearly this is all absurd, as it the assertion that humans should treat other organisms as "of equal value" to humans. It's simply not possible for any organism to live that way. Even plants, typically considered pretty harmless, caused a massive extinction when they began producing large quantities of oxygen and totally changed earth's atmosphere.

Should we treat other lifeforms with respect? Of course. But, like any other species, we must look to our own interests first. To do otherwise would be irrational.

 

MAW, no, not quite. "Right to live" is a VERY subjective thing. I am sure you would choose your dog's life over a pedophile's. From an emotional standpoint, yes, killing a kid means more than killing a plant. From a view of nature? Not really. It may be of more benefit to more things, including people, to let that plant live. Human life isn't the be all, end all.

I think the idea that human life is more important is arrogant because the planet was getting on fine without us, and likely would get along just fine if we jumped ship. We're not the ones stilling the cosmos in place.

 

The point that you're missing is that it's us that's assigning importance to things. Saying that humans and plants are equally important in the view of the cosmos or the planet is meaningless because neither the planet nor the cosmos has an opinion on anything.

Actually putting the interests of other species on the same level as humans would be irrational and would probably land you in jail. Yet that would be the consequence of truly believing that all species have an "equal right" to live. Good luck with that.

 

I tend to put most things in the interest of what's important to me, like any human. I also know it's irrational. My brothers are not more worthy of life than you, on a rational level. However, if someone said, "Hey, stab this guy in the gut and we can use his organ to replace your brother's failing one," the strange guy is going to be one dead scuzz. If someone harms my cat just to be mean and I can hurt them in some way that isn't fatal, I'm going to punch them in the eye. If they beat up the town drunk, I will care less. However, I fully recognize I am just a gnat in an infinite race of gnats. The human race is not "special." Of course I'm interested in its improvement or survival and care about people; otherwise I wouldn't be going into medicine. I just don't suffer any illusions that humans have greatly improved the world. Humans are great, but they're not really useful to anything but themselves.